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 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: Australian Gun Law Update |
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I got this email today and can not valid its contents, but I thought it was interesting.
Subject: Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts . . ..
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under.
It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now available:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal.
The law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.
While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the
American evening news. Senator Obama who advocates a similar confiscation in the US will not be reporting any of this to you.
But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, a gun-control law affects only the law-abiding citizens.
Americans may want to take note before it's too late! |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...that was pretty surprising, but I guess that it makes sense when you realize that only the criminals now had guns  |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Shit the criminals didn't give up their guns?  Don't they know they will get in trouble. Like the bumper sticker says: when they criminalize guns only criminals will have guns
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Man what a crock of shit
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/12/6/365
And if I may throw my 2 cents worth in I think it's these sort of guns that should really be confiscated and harder to buy: guns that really serve no purpose except to hurt others.
I'm not some sort of gun hating libertarian hippy, I actually like guns. I just don't see the purpose of those sort of guns being held by your everyday average joe. This study shows that such laws actually lead to a drop in firearm homicides [/url] |
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there was a big gun reform in australia during the 1990's, so thats one old ass email unless something has happened recently i wasn't aware of 
When they announced the laws there were alot of kits for sale to bury your guns (special cases ect) I remember going bushwalking and seeing lots of gun shaped mounds of dirt around lots of guns buried out in the country.
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| choo wrote: | there was a big gun reform in australia during the 1990's, so thats one old ass email unless something has happened recently i wasn't aware of
When they announced the laws there were alot of kits for sale to bury your guns (special cases ect) I remember going bushwalking and seeing lots of gun shaped mounds of dirt around lots of guns buried out in the country. |
Yeah I figured it was probably taken from like '97 statistics. Is that the year there was all those gangland murders in Melbourne? Because that would probably explain the 300% rise in gun related violence.
That's classic about the gun kits though |
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| Someone remind me to fill the blanks on this when I've got more than a quick minute to comment, but this post is complete bollocks on so many levels that I'm not sure where to start! |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I am glad to hear that was an out dated email. I was sure one of our Aussie friends would set the record straight. Thanks. |
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Still to busy to reply properly (moving house for the fourth, and second-last thank god, time in less than a month), but this is a pretty good summary of the significance of those statistics:
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
A few years down the track, it's interesting that the long-term trend in firearm related homicide didn't show a blip as a result of Howard's gun law reforms. It had been trending steadily downwards, and continued to do so at that same rate.
i dunno why my countrymen are still whinging about the reforms. Who the hell needs a semi-automatic? You don't need it for hunting unless you're so useless that you shouldn't be out there in the first place ('Look out Ned, he's coming right at us!'), and you really don't need any gun for home defence. Just like in the US, if an Aussie has a gun in the house, the chances of a family member being shot are many thousands of times higher than the home being invaded, and even higher again than the chance of a firearm being used successfully if there is a home invasion.
If people like playing with guns (as opposed to treating them like any other tool), they should just 'fess up and say "I have a little dick, so I like playing with lethal weapons", rather than trying to bullshit the rest of us that they have a legitimate reason for possessing their arsenal.
So there
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Really? So because I enjoy participating in a recreational activity that a firearm is involved with, I somehow am using that to stroke my ego. Does the same apply to anyone that owns a baseball glove or a golf club?
What a douche... |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| EvilJay wrote: | Really? So because I enjoy participating in a recreational activity that a firearm is involved with, I somehow am using that to stroke my ego. Does the same apply to anyone that owns a baseball glove or a golf club?
What a douche... |
I think he meant large semi-automatic weapons and shotguns like the article was talking about and not hunting rifles and such.
You have to admit that it is a tiny bit of an ego thing though. I think a large part of the fun derived from hunting is the thrill of actually skilfully taking down an an animal using a rifle. Sort of showing off that you can do it. But then again I suppose that's no more excessive then any other sport. |
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Double post...damn it..
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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The problem with surrenduring any weapon, no matter how dangerous it "looks" lies in the "give an inch, and they take a mile" theory. If you surrendered a mac-10, or an AR-15, the liberal gun-grabbing pieces of shit would find a way to draw paralells between the catergorized weapons, and every other thing that resembled a gun...
I happen to think I could make a yard rake a really fucking dangerous weapon in a mall full of pussies..
Oh, and Dickfuckous.. A quote from Freud that I believe applies to you...
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” |
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agreed on this one. I have no issues with people not being able to carry ar-15, AKs' and what have you. the problem is once we restrict weapons like thiese they want to restrict your standard DA/SA firearm.
Likelyhood is that the US won't make her citizens give up their firearms but I wouldn't be surprised if ammunition gets taxed worse than a pack of smokes.
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| sidelvar wrote: | agreed on this one. I have no issues with people not being able to carry ar-15, AKs' and what have you. the problem is once we restrict weapons like thiese they want to restrict your standard DA/SA firearm.
Likelyhood is that the US won't make her citizens give up their firearms but I wouldn't be surprised if ammunition gets taxed worse than a pack of smokes. |
Likewise sidlvar... I'd have much less need for a pistol than a rifle where I live, so if we had to choose... Different tools for different jobs. "Don't give anything up" is pretty much the only way to fly on this one... |
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