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| Rufus08 wrote: | | The only ones getting rich off of healthcare is the insurance companies. It is too long of a discussion to get into now as I only have a few minutes before I have to leave for work. I can give you many examples that I have witnessed myself. |
This is not really accurate at all. Many "Health Insurance Companys" are actually non-profs. It is perscription medication, "prevenative medicine" and "prevenative routine testing", malpractice insurance, and bums who dont pay, that are the problem with health care.
Do the quick math, you get sick and end up in the hospital one time every 5+ years and you've already ate up all the premuims you've ever paid. Having to do $2-5K in tests because I coughed or my stomach hurts is the problem. Forcing doctors to do these tests because if you go in and they do miss something because they didnt run $5k in tests for you drippy nose means you'll sue for 100 million is the reason health care costs are so high.
You used to go to the doctor when something was wrong, and they would fix it. Seems pretty efficient. Treat the problem.
Now you are supposed to go to the doctor regularly, and test for a random pallete of shit, 90% of which is just things that happen, and would have never effected your life, nor been treated, nor cost you/your insurance a million dollars over your lifetime.
I went to the ER for Diabetic Ketoacidosis a few years back. Basically severe dehydration from too much alcohal. What I needed was a saline IV for 12 hours. I ended up staying 5 days(can't discharge yourself or insurance will deny your claim.) Beyond all the other rediculas bills, they told me I had stomach ulcers and had to take Prilosec everyday for the rest of my life. Like a dollar a day. I said fuck that, and have not had a stomach problem in 5 years... So taking their $1 a day pills would have done and prevented NOTHING, but cost me an extra $3k in that time. "Prevenative medicine" and associated malpractice suits will kill the health care system.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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I have a lot of doctor and surgeon friends who pay a shit-load in malpractice insurance. If that could lower, or people stop suing for idiot things, their incomes could lower, and health care could be cheaper.
Course, thats just one option..
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Yup, I do find that there are times when doctors truly do miss stuff though and it really sucks.
Buddy of mine went to the ER one evening after have terrible leg pains that had been getting worse and worse. They ran test after test over 7 months and ultimately he left the state to seek medical attention elsewhere. After one x-ray the new doctor was able to tell him what it most likely was. That doctor was right, he had Ewing Sarcoma that actually stayed in his leg and didn't spread. He lost his leg at 13 because of doctors not being humble or smart enough to seek a second/better opinion.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: |
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I agree, sometimes they do. But sometimes its ridiculous. Like most of the money for the emotional pain? Yes, ok.. a doctor.. left something in you or something. Get the money for the surgery back, the money for the time you lost at work, etc. But you're not getting 1 million dollars in "Emotional damage"
Your emotional happiness is not worth 1 million dollars. Or even 500,000, or 100,000. For something like losing a leg, I could understand a bit more, but still.. people are human, they make mistakes. People need to realize this a bit more..
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| sidelvar wrote: | Yup, I do find that there are times when doctors truly do miss stuff though and it really sucks.
Buddy of mine went to the ER one evening after have terrible leg pains that had been getting worse and worse. They ran test after test over 7 months and ultimately he left the state to seek medical attention elsewhere. After one x-ray the new doctor was able to tell him what it most likely was. That doctor was right, he had Ewing Sarcoma that actually stayed in his leg and didn't spread. He lost his leg at 13 because of doctors not being humble or smart enough to seek a second/better opinion. |
But because someone "misses" something does not necessarily make it malpractice or gross neglegence. I'm not defending Dr's. Personally, most, I'm not a huge fan of. But to believe that you show up at a doc and they give you the stamp of approval, like you're a certified used car, and then a month later they find out you have cancer and it is somehow the Dr's fault for not catching it, is rediculas. I'm not at all saying thats the case in the above, more in general prevenative medicine cases.
The same time I mentioned above, my stomach was paining because I was severly dehydrated. I had more f'n xrays, scans, drink this shit, shit this shit, stuff jammed down my throat, stuff probed up my ass. "well, it could be this", "well, we have to check for this".. Yeah motherfucker, it could be a million things, but I dont expect you to bankrupt my insurance company and me with co-pays, to test for a million fuckin things that it "could be". The human body is amazingly resiliant and will tell you when some shit is wrong, more so than running $100K in fuckin tests every year.
I'm type 1 diabetic. My insulin alone is $1040.00 for a 3 month supply. 4.5 oz. Thats fuckin highway robbery. Its a synthetic version of some shit that they sucked out of pig pancreas' for 50 years. You're gonna tell me that a big as steel vat of that shit is worth what, a couple million dollars? It's more expensive than gold. And millions of americans use it. It's not some drug that no-one uses. The little blood test strips. $1 a peice. Get real. Look at all the shit you can get at a dollar store. Compare the technology and manufacturing involved in these things, and then tell me how 100 tiny peices of paper in a vial can be $100. Cause I need it and HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. It's fuckin criminal.
I was at Mayo clinic in Rochester Minn once for two weeks. My bill was almost $80K, without housing(you stay and pay for hotels) and no food. Just Dr vistits and tests. What teh fuck could they do for 80K? I could have 10 people carrying me around full time for 2 weeks watching and documenting everything that happend with my body in that time, and it shouldnt cost $80,000. Rest assured I was not recieving that much personal service.
The system is a fuckin sham and I'd like to see it implode.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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I 100% agree with you. I was more refering to the fact that they ran a shit ton of test that could have been avoided by a trained eye.
I hear ya as far as insane prices. I went to the ER when I wrecked my car in Dec. Looking at my bill (before insurance) the IV was $400, and the tylenol they gave me was like 250. Fucking rediculous.
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Wow, get educated will you? Hand sanitizer is an effective method of removing a good amount of bacteria from your hand. You're not supposed to use handsanitizer where there is visible grime. And yes your skin and hands produce natural oil and once you use a hand sanitizer those come back but the point of sanitizing is to get rid of foreign accumulations on your skin. Its not required, and its not like you'll be a sicker person if you never sanitized n your life. Its an option, but it does what its supposed to. And i dunno what shithole you come from where people shit on thier hands and doorhandles but maybe you should take a lesson in personal hygiene.
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| The problem with healthcare has many parts. Insurance plays a role, pharmaceutical companies play a role, malpractice awards play a role...etc. People are so freaked out about "government making medical decisions for you"....but they don't have a problem with insurance companies doing the same thing. I worked at a local hospital and we had a 25 year old woman come in for a simple procedure. She developed severe problems and ended up on a ventilator in our ICU for 3 months. The insurance company only paid for the simple procedure...the hospital had to eat the difference. Hospitals are required to provide a certain amount of "compassionate care" (ie: welfare or non-insured). They help pay for these cases by charging people with insurance a higher rate....everyone with insurance helps pay for those who don't have insurance. They also charge higher rates to those with insurance to help pay for cases like I mentioned where the hospital "ate" the cost....they don't take the full brunt themselves but pass it along to other patients. I am not saying that insurance companies are the only evil out there...but they do exert a great deal of control over your medical care and I firmly believe that you and your doctor should determine your care and not the insurance company. |
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| Aera wrote: | Wow, get educated will you? Hand sanitizer is an effective method of removing a good amount of bacteria from your hand. You're not supposed to use handsanitizer where there is visible grime. And yes your skin and hands produce natural oil and once you use a hand sanitizer those come back but the point of sanitizing is to get rid of foreign accumulations on your skin. Its not required, and its not like you'll be a sicker person if you never sanitized n your life. Its an option, but it does what its supposed to. And i dunno what shithole you come from where people shit on thier hands and doorhandles but maybe you should take a lesson in personal hygiene.
As for H1N1, fuck that. |
Shut your Vag, you live in Chi-town. Talk about a shit hole.
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| sidelvar wrote: | | Aera wrote: | Wow, get educated will you? Hand sanitizer is an effective method of removing a good amount of bacteria from your hand. You're not supposed to use handsanitizer where there is visible grime. And yes your skin and hands produce natural oil and once you use a hand sanitizer those come back but the point of sanitizing is to get rid of foreign accumulations on your skin. Its not required, and its not like you'll be a sicker person if you never sanitized n your life. Its an option, but it does what its supposed to. And i dunno what shithole you come from where people shit on thier hands and doorhandles but maybe you should take a lesson in personal hygiene.
As for H1N1, fuck that. |
Shut your Vag, you live in Chi-town. Talk about a shit hole. |
10-4.. Whos more unclean than a fucking trick-ass daughter-of-a-whore gook??  Zipperheads eat fucking rotten eggs for Christs sake. And what exactly is fishball soup?. That's shit before it ever even gets in your mouth. As far as foreign material on door handles and payphones, look it up some time connie chung. I think you're the one who needs to get educated. People are filthy, this means you too. You're always talking about your punched out fuck-hole as if it isn't a gaping stinking germ infested cess pool with flabby curtains.
It (your "VAG") should probably have a nickname like glarbleflarp.. for the sound it makes when brother number five pulls out after giving you your daily injection of syphilis and the herp. |
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My future mother in law loves a Filipino delicacy which is basically just half developed duck eggs. 
Random, but oh well.
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| Live4him wrote: | | My future mother in law loves a Filipino delicacy which is basically just half developed duck eggs. |
i have a buddy that made alot of money over there while in the military........
he would get others to bet him that he couldn't eat one......
ate them raw right there sitting at the bar.....he thought it was easy money ...  |
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Yeah. My fiance and the rest of his family can't stand to be near her when she eats them. heh
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I'm sorry I missed this conversation. h1n1 is a constant topic of "pissing me off".
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