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Legalizing Pot to make money is a questionable approach, but stop spending the money fighting it. There probably wouldnt have been a 8 hour trafffic jam while some dude debated jumping off an overpass yesterday in detroit if he could have smoked a dube on the way there...
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| EvilJay wrote: | | Legalizing Pot to make money is a questionable approach, but stop spending the money fighting it. There probably wouldnt have been a 8 hour trafffic jam while some dude debated jumping off an overpass yesterday in detroit if he could have smoked a dube on the way there... |
I agree man. Honestly there is minimal evidence to continue the illegalisation of Marijuana. It's less physically hazardous then tobacco and has about the same effect on the conscious as alcohol. A lot of problems would be solved with it's legalisation |
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I'm not sure about the economic stimulation, but I do have experience with the human stimulation part. 
Seriously though, there are so many good applications for the plant, other than the obvious, that I believe it would be more of a boon to the planet than a hindrance if it were made legal.
Paper without cutting down more trees.
A building material that is actually stronger than wood, same reason as above.
A plant that can replace 3 times more oxygen in the atmosphere than an equal amount of forest.
A cheap source of fuel.
Clothing that lasts at least twice as long as simple cotton, or synthetics.
The list goes on and on.
Not to mention; Cheese-n-Rice!! It's a plant! Nobody cooked this shit up in their basement lab! If a plant is not meant for you to use it there is a simple built in defense....it will kill your ass.
THC is one of the least harmful substances there is. We have created more criminals by making it illegal than the plant ever could on it's own.
I think it's about time it was turned loose, or at the very least decriminalized.
Making it illegal hasn't stopped a single person from using it yet. |
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i'm with peter tosh.. legalize it
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| The government makes more money with it being illegal. Cops and officials would lose their jobs. Prisons would close. The loss of court fees and fines from offenders would not be made up with a tax. More jobs would be lost than created. Besides it would make it more expensive. Are you having a hard time finding it? Go to the park. |
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I don't think alcohol suffered from being prohibited then re-legalized. And there are many more Hemp applications that get turned down because it is equated with the stuff that gets you "high".
Change is good. Both in Canada and the US we have severely stupid laws right now. And isn't it a state prerogative anyways?
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| yorvo wrote: | | The government makes more money with it being illegal. Cops and officials would lose their jobs. Prisons would close. The loss of court fees and fines from offenders would not be made up with a tax. More jobs would be lost than created. Besides it would make it more expensive. Are you having a hard time finding it? Go to the park. |
Or, those resources could simply be refocused toward actual crime. Crimes against property and identity theft crimes have very low solve rates. The reason being that it's easier for cops to go after pot smokers and speeders. |
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Change is good. Both in Canada and the US we have severely stupid laws right now. And isn't it a state prerogative anyways? |
I would say no due to the fact that it is dangerous to drive while high. With semi-similar effects to alcohol you would have to regulate it on a federal level. Same reason to me why booze is a federal thing.
The problem is that it is in your system for really a minimum of two weeks. So you would have to find a cost effective way to test instantly an know if it has been "consumed" within the last say 4 hours.
I have heard of a test where you prick your finger to get a small amount of blood (similar to the diabetes testing deal). The blood is put on a small little disk and it is designed to only react to one specific substance in your blood. Can't remember specifically whats for but I know it a test for a certain disease or cancer.
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As has already been stated, the effects of marijuana are little different than those of alcohol. If the government would legalize and control it i.e. tobacco/alcohol, the federal deficit would be erased within about 10 years. Most police stations have stores of marijuana being held as evidence. If it were legalized and put under the same restrictions as alcohol, the government could sell what is being held and then tax the sale of marijuana. Finally, treat driving under the influence of marijuana the same as driving under the influence of alcohol. While it wouldn't be an immediate fix to anything but the crime rate, in the long run it would benefit everyone as a whole.
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My issue is this :
What if Pot becomes as "regular" as cigarettes? By that I mean :
Say I'm waiting for a 3:00 PM tattoo appointment. If said client is smoking a cigarette while walking to the shop, puts it out, and comes in, it's no big deal.
If the same client is smoking a joint while walking to the shop, puts it out, and walks in, it's an ENTIRELY different situation.
In the first, the guy is 100% "sober" and is functioning at (hopefully...) 100%. In the latter, the guy's now officially considered "under the influence" and has a restriction of his motor skills, let alone the fact that he may instantly become, quite simply, more annoying.
Yes, one can argue that alcohol would be just as easy to substitute, but that's why there are "open container" laws in most (if not all) states.
Basically, if it WAS legalized, it'd have to be treated like alcohol : Age restrictions, privilege restrictions, location usage restrictions, etc etc etc.
Personally, it's not a substance I use, so maybe I'm not the best person to judge here (or maybe I am...), but I personally just think it would create MORE "stupid laws" to enforce and bust people on.
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it will never become legal cause the gov't truely would not make any money from it at all. you would be allowed to grow it in that case and make your own weed. although if you wanted to sell it you would probably need a business license in order to carry or grow it and that would be the only way they could possibly make any cash off of it-NOT GOIN TO WORK!!!
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I look at it as a uniformity issue. Yes there are definite downsides to legal cannabis use but they're no stronger than the issues that people have with legal substance abuse. I, as always, agree with Freddie in regards to placing restrictions on it. It should be treated with the same amount precaution as any other "adult" substance.
At the very least you should be able to grow and smoke it your own home. It's a plant for fuck's sake, what right does any government have to dictate what you can and can't grow? |
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All I can say to most of this is.....errrr, cheech and chong is not reality.
There is a lot of mythos associated with cannabis the drug. But at the most basic, it does not lower you inhibitions the way alcohol does, there is no known lethal dose and everyone has receptors in the brain especially for THC.
Please don't mix fact with bullshit like they do for you every day in the media. There isn't a body of scientific evidence because the gov't (of both our countries) suppresses research at every opportunity. But then every gov't commssioned report (like the Senate report and LeDain commission here in Canada) recommends full out legalization.
Prohibition doesn't actually work. And I don't just mean for drugs.
Change is good. Just hard to realize.
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Green Girl, I would need to borrow a few hands to count the amount of friends/acquaintances I've had over the last 26 years that have become COMPLETE "burn outs", that went from "people that smoked weed" to "people that need weed" to "people whose lives are ruled by weed" to "people that can't string together 2 sentences effectively".
That said, I know a few folks that have had the same thing happen with alcohol (though, admittedly, the number is far lower).
I've also smoked my fair share of pot back in the day, and gave it up because I personally DIDN'T enjoy the "man living in luke warm water" feeling that it gave me. From my personal experience, it just slowed everything down, including my thought process and motor skills. THAT'S what I based my inferences on, NOT simply watching a "Cheech and Chong" movie (Not really a fan of them, or any other "stoner comedy" to be honest. i prefer a wackier, more "British" sense of humor in my films  )
Like I said, legalize it with a pile of restrictions, therefore creating more "stupid laws" for people to get busted by.
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