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****** is a nasty word... i don't say it in public because i don't want to get my small white ass beat by some big black dude.
However, i think the "minority" groups are way more racist than us "white devils". Is this due to what has happened to these minority groups in the past? no... i doubt it, i think it has more to do with the power of being a minority and crying racism has.
if someone is so thin skinned to be offended by a noose tattooed on someones skin then that is their fault for being a bitch. Now, if you were to get a noose wrapped around the neck of a minority group tattooed on you, then you deserve every beating you're going to get |
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| dan_T_jones wrote: | | And they don't tend to just "rush out" vaccinations without testing them. A whole circus load of shit goes into making sure the vaccine is safe. |
While you're not a religious man, what you said right there is called "a statement of faith."
I want to start by stating that I am not anti-vaccine. All my kids are up to date on their vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine and I'm not anti-science. I just don't like agenda-driven science that pushes solutions that aren't proven yet. I believe that the jury is still out on the vaccine you're talking about: Gardasil.
Here is one source of info about the vaccine: http://www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil
| Quote: | On June 8, 2006, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the drug Gardasil. Gardasil is a vaccine against certain types of human papillomavirus (HPV) which is the primary cause of cervical cancer in women.
* Several state and local governments have proposed requiring the vaccine for school girls entering the 6th grade.
* Gardasil is approved for girls as young as nine years old, despite the fact that the youngest girls participating in clinical trials were 11-12 years old.
* A recent study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, also questioned the general effectiveness of Gardasil. Additionally, there has not been a chance to study long term side effects of the vaccine. |
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| Quote: | | The controversial vaccine was fast-tracked for approval by the FDA despite concerns about Gardasil’s safety and long-term effects. The vaccine is still in the testing stages (final report due September 30, 2009), but it is already being administered to thousands of young girls and women.2 Mandatory vaccination has been opposed by the American College of Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine. Legislators in 41 states and Washington, DC have introduced legislation to require, fund or educate the public about the HPV vaccine and 17 states have enacted legislation. Michigan, Texas and Virginia took steps toward mandatory vaccination for sixth grade girls; however, all three states have postponed that required mandate. |
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| Quote: | Analysis of the records shows:
• Gardasil is a prophylactic, preventative vaccine and will not treat pre-existing HPV infection. It is not a cancer vaccine or cure.
• Gardasil is marketed as a vaccine that prevents cancer, but it “ . . . has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity or genotoxicity.”
• Gardasil is not 100% effective against all HPVs. It is designed to protect against only four strains of HPV, even though there are over thirty strains including at least fifteen that can cause cancer.
• While Gardasil is the most expensive vaccine ever to be recommended by the FDA, its long-term effectiveness is unknown and could be as brief as only two to three years.
• During testing, an aluminum-containing placebo was used. Aluminum can cause permanent cell damage and is a reactive placebo, unlike most standard saline placebos. This means that tests of Gardasil may not have given an accurate picture of safety levels.
• Although some states are considering making it mandatory for young girls to get the Gardasil vaccine, it has only been tested with one other vaccine commonly given to children. There are ten commonly administered adolescent vaccines.
• Gardasil is still in the testing stages, and will not be fully evaluated for safety until September 2009. VAERS reports show that as many as eighteen people have died after receiving Gardasil. |
One report is available here: http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/JWReportFDAhpvVaccineRecords.pdf
Just some things to think about.
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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ThisIsWhatWeDo, the initial definition of "N-igger" (yay censorship!) is :
"A Member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons"
That being the case, growing up in a dirt poor working class family, I have as much right to be "offended" by that term, based upon that definition, as anyone.
Seriously, it's a word. Beyond that, it's a word that I hear being blasted from the stereos of passing cars everyday. Seeing as how the music/lyrics in said songs from said stereos are generally written/being performed by the aforementioned minority group, I can't see where anyone could find it offensive either.
Honestly, I'm surprised that people haven't become desensitized, simply because, in the 1990's, it was almost impossible not to hear the term a half-dozen times in any given rap songs (some of which were on albums that were selling tens of millions of copies, worldwide).
Back to topic : I find the whole idea of a "noose to symbolize vigilantism" to be reasonably funny. Especially because said vigilante is probably some kid that spray paints something like "America Sucks!!!" on a wall and sees that as "fighting the system", lol.
Seriously, get whatever you want tattooed on you. 9 times out of 10, people that see a person with tattoos will want to grill them about the "meanings" behind their work (even when they literally AREN'T any), so you'll probably have to explain whatever you get.
I have a spiderweb on my elbow, and I know I've had to explain the fact that I'm not a racist skin to a handful of Peckerwoods at various points in the 7 or 8 years since I got the tattoo. No big deal, really.
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That's the biggest load of psychobabble bullshit I've ever heard in my life. What is too sensitive? For starters, how about taking offense where none is meant? It's getting so you can't say anything without offending somebody. That's too sensitive. Get a goddamn grip. Get a fuckin' LIFE! |
Would you turn someone away from your business because of thier race, looks, or sexual orientation. If a guy wanted his "best friend" to hold his had while you perminutely inked that "best friends" name on the client would you be offended? Or the saggy boobed chubby that wanted her nips pierced? To each thier own, and at the end of the day thier money spends just as good as yours and mine. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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i was going for the same concept, but with the lynch some people may be offended..i didnt wanna get in the debate so i just got this |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lets be real. There are a million ways you can symbolize being a "vigilante"(I too would like to know what you are doing to be a vigilante), but you are choosing a noose(which I am unclear how it exactally symbolizes this), which you believe from the go may be offensive, so that is clearly what you are going for.. If shock value is what you want, then go for it...
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| vigilante is a person who violates the law in order to exact what they believe to be justice from criminals-the noose is to represent vigalantes from way back,who lived out west. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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@ AngerTank:
It's true about my faith in scientific procedures. I don't honestly know to what extent they tested the drug but I do know that ANY drug that enters the market receives extensive testing (for not only the side-effects but also if the drug actually works lol). Yeah they can't test long term but they wouldn't even consider it if there was a doubt about its long term safety.
I can see the sense in waiting off but what I didn't know was that you had to pay for the drug in the states. In Australia it's free or like really cheap for a limited time and I saw holding off for religious reasons utter stupidity.
Science should never be agenda driven. Science is logic and rationality, presenting the facts objectively so they can be scrutinized by others.
All in all you've got to weigh up pros v cons, and ultimately you've way more to lose not vaccinating. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| OAKPOTSMOKE wrote: | | vigilante is a person who violates the law in order to exact what they believe to be justice from criminals-the noose is to represent vigalantes from way back,who lived out west. |
Again, I know what a vigilante is. I ask in what way YOU are a "vigilante"????
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| dan_T_jones wrote: | but I do know that ANY drug that enters the market receives extensive testing (for not only the side-effects but also if the drug actually works lol). Yeah they can't test long term but they wouldn't even consider it if there was a doubt about its long term safety.
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that's not really how it works in America. Thanks to good old Roosevelt. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| dan_T_jones wrote: | | I don't honestly know to what extent they tested the drug but I do know that ANY drug that enters the market receives extensive testing (for not only the side-effects but also if the drug actually works lol). Yeah they can't test long term but they wouldn't even consider it if there was a doubt about its long term safety. |
I think this fact is important: The vaccine is still in the testing stages (final report due September 30, 2009), but it is already being administered to thousands of young girls and women.
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| ten_tenn wrote: |
Would you turn someone away from your business because of thier race, looks, or sexual orientation. If a guy wanted his "best friend" to hold his had while you perminutely inked that "best friends" name on the client would you be offended? Or the saggy boobed chubby that wanted her nips pierced? To each thier own, and at the end of the day thier money spends just as good as yours and mine. |
Boy, that's out of left field. How do you turn a discussion of racial oversensitivity into assumptions of homophobic and misogynistic business practices? Who said anything about turning away business? No matter what your color, sexual orientation or attractiveness, your money is still green.
That said though, I do get extremely tired of blacks and hispanics bitching about price and acting like I'm overpricing them specifically because of who they are, which I don't. That too is oversensitive. Again, it's taking offense where none is meant.
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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That's the point I was trying to make. It doesn't matter what we think about the person we are working on, the person thats working on us, or anyones decision for whatever they decide to wear on thier skin. I am bald by choice and sport several tattoos ... if that gives someone the false impression that I am a skin head then they are the one with the problem. Whoever gets offended by a noose tattoo needs to look in the mirror.
I do agree that there are those individuals that give you the impression that they are owed something. Just last week a gothic kid came in wanting his friends nickname tattooed to his ankle, that same male friend held his had while getting the work done. I am a bit homophobic, but he (they) recieve the same treatment as anyone else that walks in. Its thier choice not mine. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| To the OP...your question was asking if it would offend me? It would not offend me, but, It definitely would not make vigilante come to mind. |
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