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| I'll keep an eye out for them around here and let you know if I see anything suspicious. |
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| dan_T_jones wrote: | | Legally what is flash? When you sell it do you have like a list of what it can and can not be used for? Because if loves bought the flash legally then they may be within their rights to reprint it on their lighters. They should still give you an artistic credit for it though. |
Legally a sheet of flash is a visual art print, just the same as any poster or fine-art print. It is fully protected under copyright law, and all rights are reserved to the artist unless specifically transferred in writing.
When a tattooist buys a set of flash, with it comes the "implied" right to hand-reproduce the images as tattoos on skin only. It does not give anyone the right to mechanically reproduce them (by scanning, photo-copying, printing, etc.) in part or in whole, by any means whatsoever.
Same is true when someone buys a single design online. What they are actually buying is the one-time usage right to have that design reproduced as a tattoo. They are not buying the design itself nor any futher rights to it.
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Matt, did a little poking around, and I found that your set (as well as the set the Iovinno images came from, and the Maske set that the "Man's Ruin" came from) are being widely distributed in a bootleg flash torrent that's apparently readily available on a pile of torrent downloading sites.
From what I've been told, other artists involved in this mass bootlegging are JD Crowe, The Cherry Creek crew, Judy Parker, Joe Capobianco, Aaron Bell, Tony Ciavarro, and dozens of others.
This kind of shit is ludacris.
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Then maybe myself and the other artists who are being ripped off should pool our resources and aggressively go after these thieves.
It appears our industry is in dire need of a royalty collecting/policing organization similar to what ASCAP and BMI are to the performing arts industry.
It would be a massive undertaking, but might be worth it in the long run.
Please PM me any web address you may have on these bootleg sites.
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| imnotatfault would be a good person to talk to. I think the problem you're gonna have is that if what Freddie says is true, and this flash set is availible everywhere, its probably different theives making each product. These lighter people just stole the sheet and had a bunch of lighters done. Theres probably somebdy else using this work to print shirts. You're gonna have to pursue each individually. I'd start with Loves and the lighters. Good luck. |
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That really sucks Matt. I hope you're able to at least stop them. If not, recoup any money you're entitled to as the owner of those designs. Keep us posted.
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| should get in touch with the buying office at loves corp office. they would know what vendor the lighters came from. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: thats bullshit |
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| I will check out the Loves here in dodge city ks. It seems like I have seen these before. I will check it out before I go to work. I hope you burn em in court. good luck |
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Man, It's hard to go after bootleggers... I had this issue with T-Shirt designs I did a while back, popping up all over the country in bootleg spots. Trying to get a serious lawyer to go after copyright infringement having to do with blackmarket products is harder than you'd think.
But good luck, you may have more of a leg to stand on with the flash issue, but what I found is that because it's so hard to pin down the bootleggers it's hard to build a concrete case, including how much was made off these bootleg products and so forth
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Luckily, with Loves, we're dealing with a major corporation with deep pockets who cannot hide, and who will be named as a party in the suit no matter who actually printed the lighters. Because they are the ones selling them, they are infringing on my copyright themselves.
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| MattCrunk wrote: | | Luckily, with Loves, we're dealing with a major corporation with deep pockets who cannot hide, and who will be named as a party in the suit no matter who actually printed the lighters. Because they are the ones selling them, they are infringing on my copyright themselves. |
uhem some people on the board are british, whats loves?
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| a place where "lorries" stop for "petrol" and maybe some "tasty bits"...idk howd i do haha |
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| PeteFilth wrote: |
uhem some people on the board are british, whats loves? |
http://www.loves.com/ |
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| MattCrunk wrote: | | dan_T_jones wrote: | | Legally what is flash? When you sell it do you have like a list of what it can and can not be used for? Because if loves bought the flash legally then they may be within their rights to reprint it on their lighters. They should still give you an artistic credit for it though. |
Legally a sheet of flash is a visual art print, just the same as any poster or fine-art print. It is fully protected under copyright law, and all rights are reserved to the artist unless specifically transferred in writing.
When a tattooist buys a set of flash, with it comes the "implied" right to hand-reproduce the images as tattoos on skin only. It does not give anyone the right to mechanically reproduce them (by scanning, photo-copying, printing, etc.) in part or in whole, by any means whatsoever.
Same is true when someone buys a single design online. What they are actually buying is the one-time usage right to have that design reproduced as a tattoo. They are not buying the design itself nor any futher rights to it. |
Oh good. I was worried that a company like Loves would be able to find some bullshit loophole and fuck you over. There's a good chance they'll try and settle out of court if they don't have a leg to stand on. Any way you look at it you're a good chance to make some money out of it. You should make them give you a cut of the sales. |
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