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 Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: Looking for a tattoo design???? |
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Quit wasting time on the internet, and go to a tattoo studio where they have an actual artist, and ask them what they are capable of doing for you. It's really pretty simple.
If you walk into my studio and explain what you want, we will make it for you. We don't WANT you to drag in mediocre shit from the internet. We are quite capable of, and would rather, design something unique, and will work with you until you are happy.
Any reputable studio can, and will, do the same...and this will also help you to weed out the less than reputable studios. If they can't draw your design, they can't tattoo you, either. If they need me, or one of the artists here to supply them with a design, I urge you to totally avoid that scratcher, and find someone with actual talent.
Some things are worth making an effort for. If you are looking for a webpage of all the possible angel wing tattoo designs, or whatever, guess what? THERE IS NONE. No such thing exists.
So, grab your phone book and start looking under "tattoos" and set up a consultation with someone reputable, and the problem is solved!
In the time it takes you to post a request for artwork, myself and the guy who works with me will not only have tattooed people, but will have designed each of those tattoos, and most likely will have consulted with others about coming up with custom designs for them. It is what we do for a living. Designing custom tattoos is a service all worthwhile tattooists can offer you. Asking here, is like going to a dairy farmer for satalite television service.
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so there!j/k ! it is just as easy to go down & have 'em draw u up something!
and if u can bring in some referance material for the artist! when i get work done thats what i do. |
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JVS
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| Well , Im new to this board but not new to tattooing. Ive been tattooing over 25 years and must say I find when a client comes in with some pictures from wherever it shows me some type of thought and consideration has gone into their decision. I work with them to design a tattoo that they will be happy wearing for the rest of their life. personally I feel better working in that way then when I get a client that walks in and says I want a dragon or whatever and me or one of my artists has to spend time drawing something then redrawing it over and over till its right. Not that I dont have to do that anyway but at least I have an idea of what they are looking for. Its a lot easier for instance when a client brings in a resin statue of spiderman and says I want something like this rather then them comming in saying I want a spiderman tattoo. Asking for designs on a website is just an indication of the thought and effort fut into the tattooing process by the client who will ultimately have to wear the tattoo for the rest of their life. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: |
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So, if a person wants a tattoo design, it's best to talk to a bunch of people that know absolutely nothing of the subtleties of tattooing, then bring it to you to redraw? I say that's taking the round about approach.
If they come to me, and explain their desires, I know what I am capable of doing, and the style in which I am best at doing it. I have a million people a year coming in with absolute horseshit scribbles their "artist friends" drew for them, and they want it just like that....then I have to talk them out of putting some nasty crappy one dimensional, doodle on themselves, and draw something for them anyway. I have to either lie or make excuses to them when they ask, "What do you think?" ...Because 99.9% of the time, I think it's a piece of total shit that I would NOT wish to be associated with doing.
It takes far less time and effort to explain it to me, FACE TO FACE than it does to type it to people who can only guess as to what the hell you are talking about and trying to come up with something they know little or nothing about.
When people walk in and hand me a design, I don't even unfold the paper to look at it...I set it aside and ask what they want, and draw it. When I am done, I toss the other design in the trash, and start working with the next client.
The exception is when the person is well versed in the tattoo procedure, and talented as an artist, and has something ORIGIONAL they want to consult with me about.
It does not benifit me in any way, or save me any time if you bring in some piece of crap from some tattoo flash website, or a picture of someone else's tattoo you wish to steal. I will most likely refuse to pollute your hide with it anyway. I have my own inspiration, pencils and, if necessary, resources.
And in the majority of cases, it isn't thoughtfullness and effort that makes someone go on the internet and get a design...its the opposite...it's laziness. They don't want to take the time to get off their computer chair, and go out and find an artist who is capable of doing what they want. They just want a design to take to any old hack, so he can just follow the lines, like he was working with coloring books. This should be a higher level of art than that.
Let the guy down the street slap that amateur crap on ya! I got in this business to do art. That means ~I~ create the design, when at all possible. It doesn't mean I simply duplicate someone else's ideas, or expect my clients to do the artistic parts, or compile resources for me while I just trace whatever slop they bring in.
If you want a piece of art from Geiger, do you take a bunch of someone else's doodles to him? No...he'd laugh in your face. If he actually decided to do such a thing, it wouldn't be a Geiger...it would just be Geiger duplicating or enhancing some other guy's chicken scratches. |
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JVS
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| Wow thats great, theres no reason for anyone to go anyplace but yours then. I didnt realize that each and every Tattoo had to individual and unique. I now feel sorry for the guys with the Christ Head tattoos Ive done over the years because Id be running out of variations. Just to clear one thing up, If I want to have a Geiger type picture in my den do I need to have Geiger come do it himself? |
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| And just to set the record straight, this post origionated as a response to a particular incident. I realize people will always bring stuff in to have done...I am just of the opinion it has no purpose in most cases...for me, at least. And I will maintain till the bitter end that if a "tattooist" needs you to draw a design for him, then he should not be tattooing. |
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| JVS wrote: | | Wow thats great, theres no reason for anyone to go anyplace but yours then. I didnt realize that each and every Tattoo had to individual and unique. I now feel sorry for the guys with the Christ Head tattoos Ive done over the years because Id be running out of variations. |
If you have time, draw one up that's all yours. Then that will be a "JVS signature Christ Head" Nothing difficult about that. Slap it on a million faithful Christos followers, and soon everyone will say, "Hey! Isn't that a JVS Christ Head?? That's radical!"
| Quote: | | Just to clear one thing up, If I want to have a Geiger type picture in my den do I need to have Geiger come do it himself? |
That would be nice. But no. Now, if you wanted a "Geiger type" piece and stole one of his designs, that would be lame...or if you had someone else draw it for you, then claimed to be the artist just because you reproduced someone elses drawing, that would be lame, too.
Point is, if you call yourself an artist, then you should be PRIMARILY doing art...not reproducing and plagerizing other's stuff.
And as I said, this had to do with a particular incident...or incidentS where people wanted to know who would be able to draw a tattoo for them...well THE TATTOOIST should...or else he shouldn't be a tattooist.
The important part of the origional post is this:
| Quote: | and this will also help you to weed out the less than reputable studios. If they can't draw your design, they can't tattoo you, either. If they need me, or one of the artists here to supply them with a design, I urge you to totally avoid that scratcher, and find someone with actual talent.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Well where I come from I guess a lot of the old time tattoo artists should never have Tattooed because many of them cant draw. There was a time when this businnes was all about plastic stencils and Ive heard many story from the old timers about how they wiped a stencil and were lost. Ide agree that a large portion of the COMMERCIAL tattoo industry belongs to the new school artists who can draw with speed and imagination. You have to realize that there is a large portion of the tattoo population who still like flash work and a lot of artists who make a great living tattooing them. Ide hate to say that any of these guys are any more or less of a tattoo artist then me. |
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| If someone is only capable of doing flash, then let them buy all the flash they want. But when someone is looking for custom work, they should NOT go to someone who specializes in flash only. They should go to a custom artist. Why should a custom artist in this forum supply a design to a flash artist for free? Or worse yet, some asshole in a kitchen in some trailer court. (which is what this post was addressing) If that flash artist can't find the design on one of his flash sheets, and can't draw it, I guess he's just shit outta luck, eh? |
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| I dont mean to be arguing the point Im just the devils advocate type. No offence intended just was looking for a healthy debate. Id have to say I agree with most of the points you made. Although I still like to see people come in with some type of research done. It shows commitment and participation in the process. Most of all its hard to sit down and spend that much time with each and every customer that comes in with ideas. Possibly in a slower moving shop that would be possible but here in NYC , especially my shop time unfortunately is limited. Although I like to spend some time with the client discussing the tattoo ideas and process it does suck when youve spent an hour with someone and they say " wow thats great, Ill be back" Im sure you get a lot of the BEBACK family where you are. Ill Beback, Wewill Beback and Theywill Beback. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| I usually just ask if they want it done now, or later. If they say later, I set up an appointment and take a $50 deposit, which is the minimum at my studio. If they are more than 15 minutes late, or don't show, THANKS FOR THE $50!! and anyone who wants the design can have it. |
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BadWolf,
I want to thank you for this post. It was certainly an eye-opening experience for me. I am totally new to the world of tattoos, and I guess I just wasn't actually giving the "tattoo artist" community enough credit for actually being artists! In my mind, I cannot imagine someone possibly drawing up what I'd like to have inked by a verbal description alone. Of course, I am an Engineer & my brain simply does not work the same way as yours.
It seems to me like the old adage "A picture is worth a thousand words" could not possibly be more appropriate than in a situation like this. I am guilty of scouring the internet for photos of tats. It's not like I ever intended to steal anyone's design - it's just that there are just so many permutations of design sytles & locations, that I wanted to know up-front which of these I could live with.
I most definitely want my tattoo to be an original work of art, but I also know what I like and fear that I would a hard time communicating that effectively and end up wth a tat that I don't like. One of the most interesting things to come out of this thread is that all artists are not created equal. Because, while it seems that JVS would be gratified that I at least knew what I wanted, it almost sounds like you'd be offended if I brought in a picture of a design that I knew I could live the rest of my life with. Perhaps the real lesson here is to check with the artrist first and see which way he/ she prefers to work.
Thanks for this fascinating inside-look of how tattoo artists think and work!
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| Quote: | | I most definitely want my tattoo to be an original work of art, but I also know what I like and fear that I would a hard time communicating that effectively and end up wth a tat that I don't like. |
Why would you end up with a tat you didn't like? If you look at the drawing the tattooist does, and it isn't what you want, TELL HIM what needs to be different. Simple stuff.
Around here, if you take a stack of drawings to most of the people, all you'll end up with is a hibred of someone else's tattoo, at best. But people have been coming to us for a LOOOOOOONG time and simply telling us what they want, and we will usually start out by laying a rough sketch on paper to see if we are on the same wavelegnth. If so, we clean up the design....if not, we work together until we are.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why would you end up with a tat you didn't like? If you look at the drawing the tattooist does, and it isn't what you want, TELL HIM what needs to be different. Simple stuff. |
Well, to put it bluntly, I've seen tons of utter crap in the course of my research (yes - on the internet) & the only reason I can imagine why people would ever have such stuff on their skin is that things did not go as planned between when the image was sketched up and when it went on their skin. So, you're saying that the sketches themselves were probably junk to begin with - interesting. I will most definetly keep that in mind. Because, while I might not be able to create the image I want on my skin, I'd definitely know right away whether the artist has matched my vision or not.
BTW, I've been reading through some of your other posts & I have to commend you for the service you're providing to the community - I've learned more about the actual process of tattooing in the past two hours than I've learned in weeks of research elsewhere! |
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