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lady4christ
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 Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Yet another annoying question |
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First off, let me reassure you by telling you I am not interested in EVER being a tattoo professional. This is not because I dislike the artform, on the contrary, I am a collector and adore the art you actual professionals create. I appreciate BadWolf's aggressive manner of protecting the artform, and hope he continues doing so (but then again, I'm quite an aggressive person myself).
Here is my inquiry: I wish to contribute to the tattoo community, but do not feel I could make a good artist. I'm not really sure where to channel my desire and energy, but have decided the best place to start is in my favorite artist's shop. Where and what would you suggest I do to satisfy this desire? As a "tattooee" I feel a passion and love for the artform, and would like to be a productive member of the "tattooed community". How might I best achieve this? I have studied a bit and at least know the history of tattooing and how it has evolved since Samuel O'Reilly first invented the machine. Any response will be greatly appreciated and hopefully someone can point me in a direction that might put my energies to good use.
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indagadadaveeta
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:31 am Post subject: |
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hmmmm....by complementing bad wolf is not going to get you in the"tattoo community"or stop critisism.it just shows that youll probably start crying when the first person says somthing bad about your work.i don't mean to be harsh,but people are going to say things to you that you won't like but its for your own good,asking people on the internet in the first place is a bad start.it seems to me you already know where to go and ask about an aprentership,so why ask here?your going to end up being exactly what your friend bad wolf hates A SCRATCHER.it sounds to me like you don't want to upset bad wolf so you should probably give up now.
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lady4christ
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: Did you even read it? |
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Hmm... maybe you didn't understand my question. 
I am not now, nor will I ever be a tattoo artist. I have no "work" in which to get "upset" over. If you really want to know about the strength of my personality, that's a little difficult to prove over a forum, now isn't it?
The reason I complement BadWolf is not because I want a hug from the "Tattoo Community" or from him. It's because I have read a great deal of his posts and truly appreciate way he gives the harsh reality to people who might ruin the reputation of the artform (like the scratcher who wanted to work out of her kitchen). Perhaps it is because he is trying to protect people like me (a customer) that I appreciate his diligence, whereas you seem to have a problem with him.There are more individuals on this forum than BadWolf who provide this needed service, I suppose I remembered his name because he usually posts the first responses to these portential hazards. Don't misinterpret my honest appreciation of a artist as a misguided attempt to obtain some sort of approval from the community.
I'm not really sure if you skimmed over my post, or simply didn't read it at all. Maybe you just misunderstood. I am a person who enjoys the artform of tattooing, but would never want to be an artist myself. I believe I was quite clear about that in my post. But let me say it again to avoid confusion:
I AM NOT A TATTOO ARTIST, NOR WILL I EVER BE!!
I am a young lady who believes that the artform has gotten a bad rap over the years, and would like to contribute my energies to making it a better understood form of human expression. I will not ever be a "scratcher" because I never intend to touch another human with a machine. Didn't I mention my adversion to doing this? However, as I said eariler, I will never meet BadWolf, so why should I needlessly kiss his ass? I am giving him appreciation because I believe that he is interested in maintaining the good name of this artform, and to protect those of us who receive this indeliable mark on our bodies. I have read his posts, and yours. While I appreciate your attempt at "nipping a problem in the bud", I am afraid you entirely missed my question. Did you even read it?
For those who actually read my post, I will once again pose the question:
"I have no intention of EVER becoming a tattoo artist, but would like to help find a way to channel my love and adoration for the artform. I would like to know what I might be able to do to bring a positive light to this misunderstood avenue of human expression. Would a tattoo artist find it odd if a person wants to help without expecting pay or an apprenticeship? I desire neither, I simply want to find a way to help the "tattooed community". I am not looking for any information about the business, nor am I looking for "party invitations", I only want to contribute to this beautiful culture... something more than just wearing it on my back and smiling."
I don't mean to be a snippy b  tch, Indagadadaveeta, but if you're going to respond like a professional, at least read the posts to which you are responding. Maybe I came off a bit hateful and I apologize, but I don't want anyone's secrets or technical information. THAT'S BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE A TATTOO ARTIST. I just want to do SOMETHING to contribute to the lovely form of art that has decorated my body so perfectly. My payment for these efforts is the continued ability to obtain safe and beautiful works of art on my flesh. Some may believe monetary payment is a fair exchange, but I still feel as if I could give something more back. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Spreading the word to others about partronizing only trained professionals in legit studios is a great start. Just being a canvas is great. Just being a decent person with high standards that has tattoos, flies in the face of those who see it as a lowbrow art form. You are already contributing to the community in those ways. You seem intelligent enough to figure out what I am doing, while others just get pissed off because no matter how true my words are, it goes against what they WANT to hear. Just having another intelligent person involved helps to outweigh the damage all these ignorant bastards are causing.
I posted a challenge above to post pictures of the three seperate rooms every tattoo studio should have...the procedure room, the cleaning room for contaminated instruments, and the autoclave room. The procedure room should be seperated from any waiting area by some sort of barrier, and the cleaning and sterilization rooms MUST be seperate from any waiting area. See how many responses it got?
None.
Ya know why? Because the majority of folks here are working out of a small room in their house, or in a studio not up to minimum standards, and not large enough to comply. Point that out to everyone you meet, and tell them the facts.
...and how do you know you will never meet me? |
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lady4christ
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: Spiffy |
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lol... I suppose it was a bit presumptous of me to assume we'd NEVER meet, especially if I get my way and do a bit of touring the conventions with my artist.
I did see your challenge, by the way, and am glad to report that my tattooist has these three separate areas (the cleaning and autoclave rooms are not accessable to customers, and the procedure room is separated by a tall counter and curtains). He has a camera installed over his procedure area that allows people in the waiting area to watch him as he works. I thought this was a neat solution to the curiousity of nosy people who keep trying to come back into his "work space". All it takes is one curious person touching something or sneezing to cause a serious problem. I look at the tattoo procedure as one akin to a medical operation: a sterile environment is the most important factor. It is not the tattooist's job to amuse other customers, it's his job to deliver a beautiful and HEALTHY piece of art that will be a glory for the rest of your life.
As I have read through the many, many posts, I have seen quite a few interesting topics. I have seen how harsh you can be, BadWolf, and how quickly you are to demand excellence from the people who fancy themselves artists. In a world that so often caters to the weakminded and stupid, I find your bluntness quite refreshing. I also believe your comparison of tattooing and the medical profession is extremely well put.
In my own town, I am often appalled at the way so many "artists" treat the art of tattoo. I know idiots who put permanent marks on their bodies with sewing needles and a Bic pen, and think they have "real potential". However, the most upsetting thing I have witnessed is the true ease in which these jerks can obtain equipment (on the back of magazines!!) and dupe others into thinking they are the "real thing". Why is it that everyone wants a sterile doctor, but only a few care about a sterile tattooist? The art of tattoo is a controlled wound, and every stage of this process is critical to the finished product.
*laughes* It's kind of funny that indagadadaveeta accused me of seeking BadWolf's approval to "fit in"... if I wanted to be accepted on this site, wouldn't it be more to my advantage to proclaim the battlecry of "BadWolf's an assh*le"? That seems to be what everyone thinks... so if I was another sheep, wouldn't I just mimic the group mindset? Thing is, I actually read... and when I do that, I tend to learn.
And I learn that BadWolf's opinions on most matters seem to coincide with the opinions of my own tattoo artist; whom I know is a skilled and proficient man. That's the reason for my admiration of BadWolf... you gotta love a guy who refuses to bow to mediocrity, as this flies in the face of our "anyone can do anything" world. |
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another annoying question |
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| lady4christ wrote: | | As a "tattooee" I feel a passion and love for the artform, and would like to be a productive member of the "tattooed community". How might I best achieve this? |
Go and travel to every convention you can. You become part of the community real fast. Just make sure you represent your favorite artists...
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Spiffy |
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| lady4christ wrote: | lol... I suppose it was a bit presumptous of me to assume we'd NEVER meet, especially if I get my way and do a bit of touring the conventions with my artist.
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I should've read this post before posting my first one... You've already answered your own question.
This is how you support the community. I'm not an artist but I know MANY and have work done by many of my personal favorites. Supporting them is the key. Give them the trophies you win. When all the people take your picture at the conventions make sure you say the artist’s name.
Little things go a long way.
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| Lady4christ, I think you are already doing more than most people who say they are into tattoos. You already understand the differance between a good clean tattoo, and very, very bad tattooing. You are giving you artist your support, and want to help make a differance. Preach that good word to all you can. You can see that not a whole lot of people out there doing more than putting ink under someones skin, and others like us are doing the tattooing. I do agree that going to conventions, and showing off your work, is a great idea. Just getting out to the shows, and meeting new people with the same passions as you, is a great feeling. I also agree that Bad Wolf is telling it how it really is, and most, not all, but most people are just mad cause they don't get to hear what the want. In my years, I have come to realise that most people don't like to hear that what they tink is a great idea, just won't work. Nothing worse than people who won't just take advice for what is is really worth......just advice. Thanks for taking care of our good, professional names Bad Wolf! |
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