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Sorry, but I have to disagree wholeheartedly with allayall. I'd rather see every 12 year old in the world make a mistake than to have the government dictate what I can decide to arrange with my children.
Would I allow them to get tattooed at 12? Nope. But I do not need any authority figure to tell me it is illegal, either. When you become the sort of freightened society that needs such laws, how in God's name can you claim to be a FREE society?
No one on the Supreme Court has EVER met one of my kids...nor have they EVER witnessed a single interaction my kids and I have ever had....so why, in a FREE society, should they dictate what I can and cannot allow my kid to do, if it is harming no one else?
Answer: A FREE society would have NO SUCH RULES.
When you begin to take that step onto that VERY slippery slope, just remember that once those rights are taken away, it's like an animal drawing blood...it will never stop.
Solution: Be responsible and mind your own business.
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My country isn't a free country for a long time.They only try to make us believe it is.We got rules for everything.We even got rules for rules.
Like they are making rules now so tattooshops will be no longer allowed to give customers advise on how to take care of your tattoo.Now what good is that supposed to do? And plasticfoil is no longer allowed, and latex and we are not allowed to use the ink the rest of the world uses. (well only without half the ingredients I think) and so on... |
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| BadWolf wrote: | Sorry, but I have to disagree wholeheartedly with allayall. I'd rather see every 12 year old in the world make a mistake than to have the government dictate what I can decide to arrange with my children.
Would I allow them to get tattooed at 12? Nope. But I do not need any authority figure to tell me it is illegal, either. When you become the sort of freightened society that needs such laws, how in God's name can you claim to be a FREE society?
No one on the Supreme Court has EVER met one of my kids...nor have they EVER witnessed a single interaction my kids and I have ever had....so why, in a FREE society, should they dictate what I can and cannot allow my kid to do, if it is harming no one else?
Answer: A FREE society would have NO SUCH RULES.
When you begin to take that step onto that VERY slippery slope, just remember that once those rights are taken away, it's like an animal drawing blood...it will never stop.
Solution: Be responsible and mind your own business. |
so going by your thinking there should be no laws telling you what you can and cant do to your children??? 
think about that for a minute....just because you see yourself as (and probly are) a good parent....doesnt mean everyone is.
im not just thinking about the kinds of people who abuse their children  ......think about the kinds of people who pierce their kids ears when the kids like 3months or something stupid.....the same sort of people who might think it would be cool to have a min me, like a living doll......laws are uaualy made for a good reason.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Getting a tattoo, under the proper conditions, is not life threatening, and effects no one aside from all who chose to participate in the event. Therefore, the decision is the business of no one other than those people.
And an outsider...especially one who has no knowledge of the individuals involved...should NOT dictate what is allowed and what is not. If there are issues where OTHERS are put in danger, or someone who lacks the ability to understand the possible consequences is involved, then that may or may not be a horse of another color...but in the case of a parent and their child making a decision that endangers NO ONE and effects NO ONE other than those choosing to participate, NO LAW SHOULD EXIST. IT IS A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY DANGEROUS PRECIDENT TO ALLOW TO BE SET. It is how people become slaves in political games.
People die on rollercoasters...and drown in the sea. So, should we make it illegal for a parent to decide a child can go to an amusement park, or swim? Or fly on airplanes? Or ride in cars? Do you want to have to have PERMISSION to make those decisions for YOUR child, or do you feel you should be the one with that power?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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most of the time when i read your posts badwolf i see your point and think 'yer that guy knows where he is coming from' atm i think your just trying (badly) to defend and invalid point......
ok fair play if its your opinion, (your intitled to it)....i dont agree with you, that doesnt mean you can GET ALL STRESSED OUT AT ME 
i cant see where you are coming form here....are you saying that you agree with the law and that at 12 (with parental consent) a CHILD should be allowed to get a tattoo.....
or are you saying that....there should be no law and a CHILD/its parent should be able to consent to that CHILD getting a tattoo at any age......
or are you saying f*ck the system, f*ck the law im such a rebel......
if you could clear that up as im confused.......
my opinion is....CHILDREN should not be allowed to get tattoos.....yuo become an adult at the age of 18.....so the age to get a tattoo (with or without parental consent) should be 18.
i case you hadnt noticed (and your an artist so its pretty scary if you havnt) getting a tattoo is alittle diffrent from going for a swim in the sea..... 
laws are there for a reason....to protect people....if we had no laws the world would not be a nice place to live in....
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| Quote: | | yuo become an adult at the age of 18 |
Incorrect! Biologically, scientifically, and logically, it is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.
Biologically and scientifically, you became an adult at the time you began to ovulate or produce sperm. That age is aproximately 12 to 14.
What you mean is:
We, as a society, have artificially created a situation where we prolong the childhood of an induvidual of our species, by not allowing them to have certain experiences, and denying them certain responsibilities, until they are 18 years of age. And that you are so consumed by the undigested NEED for such a system, that you refuse to let go of it regardless of how illogical it may become.
THAT is what you meant to say, I am sure...because you seem intelligent, and that is the only way an intelligent person could percieve it, after reviewing the scientific and biological evidence.
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ok....dont answer the question then......
sociology aye....dont get me started my fav. subject 
| Quote: | | We, as a society, have artificially created a situation where we prolong the childhood of an induvidual of our species, by not allowing them to have certain experiences, and denying them certain responsibilities, until they are 18 years of age. And that you are so consumed by the undigested NEED for such a system, that you refuse to let go of it regardless of how illogical it may become. |
very well done A*
but we live in society and so we abide by the rules (or norms a values if you wanna be like that  ) if you think that any society could servive with out norms and values or rules or laws....then you would be wrong.
| Quote: | | THAT is what you meant to say, I am sure...because you seem intelligent, and that is the only way an intelligent person could percieve it, . |
i hope this isnt sarcasm, because resorting to personal insults in what I THOUGH was healthy debate.....really shows lack of intelligence.
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it seems you guys could debate about this for hours.. truth of the matter is the laws in some ways are good but in others royally suck.. but in the end the choice is still yours either live by them or not ... just cause the laws of the government are there dont mean "everyone abides by them" needless to say if you dont " even tho its "supposedly our choice" you pretty much end up in jail.. But As far as BADWOLFS and your Debate goes you guys could do this hell till you die and never make the other change there mind about the fact  i agree with you both on some aspects
kpow wrote this ( laws are there for a reason....to protect people....if we had no laws the world would not be a nice place to live in....) ok my question to you is how do u know it wouldnt ? i mean look at it this way for a sec ok childmolesters " wouldnt be protected by the law we could just shoot there sick asses " as far as parents abusing there kids and stuff they still do it with the laws in affect we really dont know what the world would be like without the laws of the government cause we have always had them .. so who really knows what it would be like ... but like i said i agree with you both on some aspects but in the end the laws still there and there really isnt anything we can do about it except not obey them then we take the chances of goin to jail.. but continue to have you debate im enjoying it
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I was not being sarcastic, and If you read what I have written, I answered your question both BEFORE you asked and AFTER.
And there are no societal norms. What you consider to be "Norms" are again, artificially imposed standards. Do you support laws which keep homosexuals from having the right to marry, etc, because the majority of people aren't homosexual, and homosexuals marrying is not "THE NORM"?
I mean, let's put your money where your mouth is...Gay people were never allowed to be married, legally, and in fact being Gay was a crime...so if laws are to protect people, are you willing to just accept it and go along with it, or do you want the laws to be different?
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| BadWolf wrote: | I was not being sarcastic, and If you read what I have written, I answered your question both BEFORE you asked and AFTER.
And there are no societal norms. What you consider to be "Norms" are again, artificially imposed standards. Do you support laws which keep homosexuals from having the right to marry, etc, because the majority of people aren't homosexual, and homosexuals marrying is not "THE NORM"?
I mean, let's put your money where your mouth is...Gay people were never allowed to be married, legally, and in fact being Gay was a crime...so if laws are to protect people, are you willing to just accept it and go along with it, or do you want the laws to be different? |
BadWolfs husband stands next to him as he typed that. |
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Ahhhh...the little trailer park Princess has arrived!
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| t2grl wrote: | | nativesoldier wrote: | | ? how is that a green light for them? u guys donta hvae any other tattoo related laws that prohibit ppl like that from working like that legally? |
Because we used to lie and say it was illegal for us to do it.
Now they know it's not and look harder for someone who will.
Our law says they can't enter someones livingroom or shed uninvited so those scratchers are the only ones who can go on like this for years untill something really bad happens. And for those in shops who do it, it's legal now  So instead of a law preventing this OUR government makes a law that says it's ok. That just worries me somehow. |
I believe that they are trying to eliminate scratchers all together by allowing a legit shop to be able to do the tattoos and hopefully they will go there not to a hep orgy. |
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| BadWolf wrote: | | Quote: | | yuo become an adult at the age of 18 |
Incorrect! Biologically, scientifically, and logically, it is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.
Biologically and scientifically, you became an adult at the time you began to ovulate or produce sperm. That age is aproximately 12 to 14.
What you mean is:
We, as a society, have artificially created a situation where we prolong the childhood of an induvidual of our species, by not allowing them to have certain experiences, and denying them certain responsibilities, until they are 18 years of age. And that you are so consumed by the undigested NEED for such a system, that you refuse to let go of it regardless of how illogical it may become.
THAT is what you meant to say, I am sure...because you seem intelligent, and that is the only way an intelligent person could percieve it, after reviewing the scientific and biological evidence. |
The age 18 came from the bible (yes another circumstance that shows that church and state are not divided.) 18 years is what it took for jesus to come to reason with him being gods son. the bible cant account for 18 years of jesus's life, but when he came back he was ready to do what he was put here for. |
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| oh and the youngest parent ws a year old that was being raped by her uncle, so yeah though its rare you can begin alot sooner. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: laws? |
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there're laws that make sense and others that don't. murder is illegal,but
in Philly it's illegal to be in town without yer blunderbuss(in case of indian
attack.) my point being that if murders didn't happen there'd be no law against it.
12 year olds aren't physically,mentally, or emotionally old enough to be
considered adults.(that must be why they're called "children"). some laws are enacted for the good of the people, others are created to serve the wants and needs of the rich,special interest groups, and apparently,
because certain laws piss off specific groups. states pass laws to decriminalize marijuana, but the feds say no. how is that right or democratic? the last time any states tried to defy the federal gov't. was in
1852. it didn't go too well for them either.
breaking a law over moral principles may be right , but it's still gonna get you jail time. in the U.S.,laws only apply to certain people anyway. seem
the more money you have, the more justice you can buy.
since this is the case; whats the harm in a few more laws concerning
something like tattoos, which as we all know, only a very small number of
people have anyway? |
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