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| ADDICTED_TO_INK wrote: | kpow wrote this ( laws are there for a reason....to protect people....if we had no laws the world would not be a nice place to live in....) ok my question to you is how do u know it wouldnt ? i mean look at it this way for a sec ok childmolesters " wouldnt be protected by the law we could just shoot there sick asses " as far as parents abusing there kids and stuff they still do it with the laws in affect we really dont know what the world would be like without the laws of the government cause we have always had them .. so who really knows what it would be like ... but like i said i agree with you both on some aspects but in the end the laws still there and there really isnt anything we can do about it except not obey them then we take the chances of goin to jail.. but continue to have you debate im enjoying it  |
childmolesters....as you put it.... well my opinion of what should happen to them seems alot diffrent to yours...i wont go into it unless you really want me to, but it definatly right that there are laws against shooting them.
ofcourse the world wouldnt be a nice place to live without laws. if there were no ruls set out for you when you were growing up and everyone was free to do as they wish, the world would be a sick place....
as an example, and im sorry but i cant rember the name of the place, i saw a documentry once about an island....and the people who live there see it as the NORM for the adult men to have sex with the girls when they reach 12....because there is no one telling these young girls any diffrent they look forward to it and see it as a rite of passage....IMO that is wrong....then again i have been brought up in a society where im told you should not have sex under 16 and 'childmolesters' are hated and arrested for sleeping with 12year olds.
and whats a NORM in one place isnt in another...yes i know that.
and i know we all like to THINK we make up our own minds about what we believe and IMO on ALOT of things we do.
but there are NORMS set by the society we live in that we ALL blindly follow.
as for what you said about homosexuality being illegal (and i dont see what that has to do with what we were originaly talking about bout f-it this is getting intresting ) ofcourse i disagree with laws which discriminate against gay men and lesbians getting married, as i would agree with any law which discriminates....but the laws in WESTERN society have changed...there are 0 countries in europe which have laws against being homosexual....there are some countries around the world where it is STILL punishable by death to be homosexual, ofcourse i feel strongly that this should be changed...but i do not live in those countries and they have a diffrent set of NORMS in their siciety.....
...the whole thing about gay marriage is a strange one, i dont see why anyone who ISNT religious (as in follow an organised religion) would want to get married gay, straight,bi whatever the unfortunate thing is that religion is tied into the law of the state so something which at the end of the day is just a religious serimoney (cant speel) has become part of the legal system....if that makes sense.....in england we now have made it illegal for gay and lesbian couples to have civil partnerships which is great....things are changing all the time and most of us adjust without realising it to the norms which get slightly altered......
omg i went on
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| tatforever wrote: | | BadWolf wrote: | I was not being sarcastic, and If you read what I have written, I answered your question both BEFORE you asked and AFTER.
And there are no societal norms. What you consider to be "Norms" are again, artificially imposed standards. Do you support laws which keep homosexuals from having the right to marry, etc, because the majority of people aren't homosexual, and homosexuals marrying is not "THE NORM"?
I mean, let's put your money where your mouth is...Gay people were never allowed to be married, legally, and in fact being Gay was a crime...so if laws are to protect people, are you willing to just accept it and go along with it, or do you want the laws to be different? |
BadWolfs husband stands next to him as he typed that.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ofcourse i disagree with laws which discriminate against gay men and lesbians getting married, as i would agree with any law which discriminates |
What about laws which discriminate against the many INTELLIGENT 12 year olds who, unlike other 12 year olds (and some 20 year olds, and some 30 year olds and even some 50 year olds) were able to make a decision about getting tattooed which they will never regret?
The ironic thing here, is that this post was about how it just became LEGAL for a 12 year old to get a tattoo. Yet you are argueing that you disagree with this law, AND AT THE SAME TIME feel that the law is there to protect us all, and we need to set societal standards...AND in the same breath, you oppose laws which discriminate against Gays when, in fact, all they are trying to do is protect what has been established as the societal NORM throughout history. (as ridiculous as that is)
You might wanna decide better where you stand. Are you for freedom, or not? And if you are, then you have to understand that someone else's freedom does NOT depend upon your personal opinion of how mature that person is.
As I proposed in my initial statement...THE BEST judge of that would be the parent...and whatever is decided between the parent and their child should be all that is necessary in a situation where no one other than those who willingly chose to participate will be effected.
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| nativesoldier wrote: | | The age 18 came from the bible (yes another circumstance that shows that church and state are not divided.) 18 years is what it took for jesus to come to reason with him being gods son. the bible cant account for 18 years of jesus's life, but when he came back he was ready to do what he was put here for. |
I think I may be missing something here. As I recall the general consensus is that Jesus didn't start to preach and "do Gods work" until the age of 30-32. Essentially the bible states Jesus was born, mentiones his parents once not being able to find him as a kid (he was in church of course) then he starts preaching after being baptised by John the baptist at the previous age. I may be off track here but I don't think the Bible has anything to do with the Gov't choosing the age of 18 as a definition of adulthood.
And Badwolf while agree that adulthood can be defined biologically using puberty as a start I think that mentally and emotionally we all know that most (and I mean most, not all. I know there are emotionally mature 12 year olds and 35 year old stunted adults) people are not emotionally and intellectually mature when puberty starts. And I know full well the swicth doesn't turn on when someone hits 18. I think it was chosen as just a general roundabout age since they had to pick one and it seemed to be about right.
So to recap we mature physically at roughly 12-14, emotionally who knows when...Men sexually peak at 18-20 ish, women in their mid 30's, my friend I grew up with started loosing his hair at about 20.... Nature really enjoys messing with our heads..... |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And Badwolf while agree that adulthood can be defined biologically using puberty as a start I think that mentally and emotionally we all know that most (and I mean most, not all. I know there are emotionally mature 12 year olds and 35 year old stunted adults) people are not emotionally and intellectually mature when puberty starts. |
And as I said before. That is a condition of an undigested NEED to prolong childhood artificially, in Western society. There are many cultures in the world where a 12 year old is GENERALLY just as mature mentally and emotionally as a full grown adult is in America. And the longer we perpetuate this fabrication, the worse it will be.
And since "The law" can only generalize (which is very unfair) the best judge of how mature a child is emotionally and mentally, WOULD BE THE PARENT, and not a bunch of people who have NEVER MET THE CHILD.
It just REALLLY seems pretty fucked up to me that everyone wants to give up their parental rights THIS EASILY....I'd say wanting to dispose of that responsibilityand give control of it to the government amounts to some form of being unfit parents!
As a parent, ~I~ am the governing force of my child. I do not require the help of the law, nor do I need them to interfere with my parenting.
For those who do: Please refrain from procreating.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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....oh look its the new massia....please show me the way to enlightenment BADWOLF
if you read my posts it might help.
i said I AGREE WITH (most) LAWS IN ENGLAND!!!! the society I WAS BROUGHT UP IN, why do you not understand
you the one that made an issue out of it....because you for some odd
strange reason think you know all aobut everything. no one has all the answers and i dont see why i should have to explian my self to you.
im sure your a great tattoo artist (though i see no proof, but i dont really mind ill take your word for it) but that doesnt mean you know everything about everything else.....now im getting annoyed and this post probly makes no sense....
someone make me a cup of tea quickly
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It's Messiah, not massia.
If you are going to attempt to be patronizing, at least do a little research.
In fact, doing a little research might be a good idea as a general life rule in most cases. ..such as when argueing drugs and the taking away of rights, and where that will historically lead us.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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sorry that i cant speel and dont feel the need to check my speelings when posting on an internet forum.
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| kpow wrote: | | sorry that i cant speel and dont feel the need to check my speelings when posting on an internet forum. |
but yet u feel the need to debate things on the " internet forum" lol sorry it had to be said
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i feel the need to express my opinions yes and i have every right to 
as does badwolf...and as do you.....
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But proper "speeling" is an established social norm. Without rules, where would we be? Remember?
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now your just being an arse
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| BadWolf wrote: | | As I proposed in my initial statement...THE BEST judge of that would be the parent...and whatever is decided between the parent and their child should be all that is necessary in a situation where no one other than those who willingly chose to participate will be effected. |
WAY to MANY idiot parents out there... Why weren't they born sterile or just pulled out?
It is because of idiots that we (society) have so many laws.
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I'm a Darwinist. I don't feel the need to protect every idiot with laws. Idiots don't let laws keep them from fucking up anyway...so it's a senseless endeavor.
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