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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:37 am Post subject: Public service announcement |
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Many of the people I have talked to who got into tattooing without training do not use an autoclave, or own one. They feel they can justify this by claiming to use pre-sterilized tubes (which are disposable) and needles.
While that may impress or fool the average person, the fact is, maintaining sterility of a sterile instrument is not dependant on time. It is dependant upon EVENT.
So, ask yourself this...from the time the equipment was sterilized, what EVENTS took place?
Chances are, some ape packed them in a box and threw them on a truck...which may have just finished hauling a load of hazardous waste...or maybe live pigs...we can't be certain...and take it to the delivery terminal, where it is thrown onto another truck with whatever other packages they have that day, and delivered to your artist. Did it get damp? Is the outside of the sterile packaging now covered with some deadly substance? Did anyone tamper with the instruments? Are you certain? Is there any way to be certain? NO.
The truth is, the person who uses this stuff cannot assure you of ANYTHING that happened to the instrument prior to them getting it in THEIR posession.
There are no shortcuts or cheap ways out. You must know what you are doing, and have the proper equipment to do it.
Period.
DO NOT allow anyone without a working autoclave which is spore tested and monitored to touch you...no matter what they try to convince you of, otherwise.
Yet another reason training is necessary. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to know what kind of spore tests you use?I have the old paper ones, I though about the little glass ones.But you got to keep them a one temp. then check with a blacklight, don't sound too safe and fool proof to me.I would like to get better tests strips, if have one you stand by and use let me know.Also do you think chemical is better than the autoclave?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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There are many companies who do spore testing for tattoo studios. ATS (autoclave testing service) is the one we use.
The only type of sterilization that is suitable for a tattoo studio is an autoclave. There is nothing in a tattoo studio that requires the use of any other method of sterilization, therefore no other method should be used. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Furthermore, those "pass/fail" strips are NOT spore tests. They are NOT a substitute for a spore test.
Spore tests are live (harmless) bacteria that are very hearty, which you place in the autoclave and run a sterilization cycle. Then it is sent to a lab, to be incubated. If the spores grow, your autoclave didn't work. If it doesn't grow in a certain time, it worked. This isn't something you do on your own. Those things you are talking about ONLY indicate that the package they are attatched to has been through the sterilizer process. It does NOT mean the package is sterile.
You should have your autoclave spore tested AT LEAST monthly. I do mine weekly. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject: why |
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If a autoclave needs to be tested monthly then why do you test yours weekly...Is that not over kill?? Do you change your oil ever 100 miles...just to make sure it works........
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Because when you take a person's life in your hands, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Blood in a body can't be changed nearly as easy as oil in a car. 
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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SharpTattoos..You miss the point...Your car needs oil every 3000 miles...And the autoclave once a month...not once a week...Don't you think the people who make the autoclave know how to keep it working right.....
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid it's you that's missing the point... see, that would be all well and good if it was the tattoo artists that were making the autoclaves. Over time, all machines wear out. So, what happens if that autoclave wears out mid-month?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Exactly.
just383, the flaw in your analogy is that the oil is there to prolong the life of the car. It is not there to validate the car's effectiveness. The car's effectiveness can be validated with monitoring devices, or in the case of a car, even your eyes, ears, and other senses can tell if it is not running effectively.
With an autoclave, regular cleaning and maintinence is what prolongs the life of the autoclave, and the spore test simply monitors it's effectiveness, since you cannot judge it's effectiveness with your eyes, ears, and other senses.
You would check your oil more frequently than you would change it, right?
| just383 wrote: | | Don't you think the people who make the autoclave know how to keep it working right..... |
Yes...and they recommend you have it spore tested as often as possible.
It is a machine, and it is possible for it to fail, regardless of the skill of the manufacturer...Ity can also fail due to user error, or power fluctuation, or many other factors...and since the result of it failing could mean someone becoming terminally ill, you should check it as often as possible. Once a month is a MINIMUM. Once a week is better. Once a day would really be nice, if you had the time. You should also mark each batch, so if a spore test fails, you have documentation of what exactly was in that load, so it can be addressed once the autoclave has been verified as working properly, again. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I'm still trying to figure out why every unknowledgeable person insists on comparing tattoo artists to mechanics. The jobs, not to mention cars and humans are very different things.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Wanna know what amazes me? (as well as scares me)
This person claims to OWN A STUDIO!
And he doesn't know the difference between a spore test and a pass/fail indicator.
What kind of training could he possibly have if he doesn't know this simple basic shit, and how safe can he be?? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Not very, I'm afraid...
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it's obvious....he isn't in it for the industry's sake, but for a paycheck
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: nice... |
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you guys handled that chode very well, perfect ... why is it the mission of certain people to try their damnedest to prove others incorrect??! like inspecting too often for proper operation will hurt anything...anywho... keep up the great work, keepin those autoclaves clean... and keep the assholes in check....
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Please check the dates before posting. This thread is over 3 years old. It is dead, buried and should be decomposed.
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