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 Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: Polynesian |
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| Does anyone know of a good place in Texas where I could find a good artist for a traditional polynesian design. I really like the idea of how the ones done with the sticks but I am sure that it is hard tofind somone to do that anywhere close to Houston (where I am). Thanks |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in America that uses sticks let alone Texas |
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| What's your connection to the polynesian people? |
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| Those who get Polynesian tattoos with no connection to the culture either by immersion or heritage are being disrespectful. Period. There is no way around that; especially given the sensitivity around how these peoples have been nearly driven to extinction by colonization. There is A LOT OF BITTERNESS still associated with all of that. You guys really wouldn't believe how much. Being someone who interacts with these problems, I know the reaction it gets from a lot of native Polynesians whether Samoan or Hawaiian which have become the most visually captivating for mainlanders. |
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| Please, PLEASE listen to hanalotus. She knows her shit. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Yep, a good buddy of mine got a traditional Polynesian tattoo in the traditional tapping method, but he got in in the islands while he was living there. He lived there for about 2 1/2 years working with some camp. |
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| I had no idea that it was considered direspectful. I just have always thought that there culture was really unique and interesting. |
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can't you get a moko out of respect for their culture?
I have japanese tattoos, and have fully researched the history and culture associated with them.
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maybe different cultures view things differently then others...
even though u have researched the history and culture doesnt mean they are ok with you representing them... just a thought
i love polynesian art, would i like a tattoo that way, yah for sure. but i hear what hanalotus is sayin, and i respect her opinion enough not to pursue it. |
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We've got a couple shops down here in Florida that do it????willing to drive and spend that kind of money?
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| Force wrote: | can't you get a moko out of respect for their culture?
I have japanese tattoos, and have fully researched the history and culture associated with them. |
There is a huge difference: let's say hypothetically that a mere 100 years ago, Japan was taken over by American business men who owned big businesses on Japanese soil. We had a military presence there already being initially allowed in the country in a deal with the Japanese government, but this army was illegally used by the this powerful group of rich businessmen to take over the country and imprison the leader. Now, imagine that the president of the time a lame duck in office, condemned these actions and demanded the Japanese be given back their country; however, the following president who decides there is much to be gained from annexing the island chain country, upholds that Japan will become part of U.S. territory. Over the next 100 years, the Japanese will have a hard time competing amongst U.S. mainland people for positions of power or success, the language and culture will be fazed out of public schools--less Japanese will be given the opporitunity to learn their own language unless they can afford a private school, sacred places to the Japanese will be taken over by the military to do weapons testing; the Japanese culture becomes merely something pretty for people to admire in a passive way. In that hypothetical modern world, the Japanese make up 10% of the entire country, many poor and unable to compete with rich mainland investors in the island; real estate crappy properties are virtually impossible for most of Japan's local population to afford; the average 3 bedroom home costing over 600,000 dollars.
Then, see what kind of reaction the Japanese will give you when they see their past; their identity is being used to the entertainment of some young mainland person who looked up some sites on the internet and called that their research on respect for the culture.
Obviously, I'm not saying that you didn't do your research, but I am saying that with Hawaiians and Samoans (the most popular Polynesian designs for mainland people) there is no comparison. None.
Furthermore, not every one, but there are local jackasses here that get very offended if a "haole" whites this is currently used for though used to mean simply foreigner, is wearing something sacred to them. There is a discrimination around here amongst whites. If you find yourself in a bad local neighborhood, and you're a haole with a polynesian tattoo, you'd better watch your back. Some of these guys are hotheads and they'll beat the crap out of you. And for what? It's disrespectful--to the highest degree, it is disrespectful. Most mainland people don't KNOW what they don't know about the Hawaiian islands. Websites, don't usually cover this stuff either. When I first came here with my local boy husband, I didn't know better. My husband is part Hawaiian and yet because he has blondish hair, people treat him like a haole until he says his name. So trust me, I know BOTH SIDES of this issue. Don't get Polynesian unless you are immersed in the culture or are a part of it by heritage. Of course, even if you are a part by heritage like my husband, if he were to get one, he might still get in deep shit by more "local looking" local Hawaiians. Discrimination sucks, but it exists--especially here.
I'm sorry for the long post here, but I wanted to make more of this clear so no one was thinking that my advice was based on trying to keep people out of some "polynesian tattoo club"
It's just a very very bad idea. |
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thanks for the post hanalotus; I know a few people wanting polynesian tribal and i'l be passing this on as I had trouble explaining reasons NOT to get it (appart from the usual anti-neo tribal bagering haha  ) |
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ok.
I'm actually half greek, my family on my fathers side has never lived anywhere but Greece for many, many generations.
I'm the first american.
However, I now live in Astoria, NY which is heavily populated by Greeks, many of whom where born here and raised with heavy greek culture.
Since I don't speak greek and I don't go to greek church and have tons of greek friends, to them I'm not greek at all.
which pisses me off.
you have a good point about the moko thing, it's not an ideal world but stereotypes still suck.
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| Thanks for all the info guys. It has been super informative. I guess the polynesian tat is out then. I don't want to disrespect anyone just because I want some art. Thanks again |
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I didn't give this topic much thought until I met my friend Noel Messer (from NZ) and I saw his pe'a and heard about his struggle just to get the opportunity to be considered for it. It was done by Paolo Suluape (R.I.P.) and Noel allowed me to write a bio on him in Pain Magazine a few years ago describing the process. It's an interesting read if you want to learn about the process and the reasons behind it. They might still have it posted at the Painmag site if you want to check it out.
p.s. Mokos are for women only!!! The western men that get them to 'honor' or 'relate' to the Maori are laughed at for getting a feminine tattoo. Women can also get 'pussy mokos'--I have pics if you want to see. |
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