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 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: Tattoing... Just gotta do it! |
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Greetings, I am looking for a fourm where I can interact with prof. and learning tatttoo artisits, in order to hone my own skills.
I gained interest in tattooing in my teens, I didn't recieve one till I was 18, but I read and collected any magazine and paper clipping on the subject. I think I was obessed. But however I didn't really feel I was skilled enough in the hand of art (WHICH I TOTALLY BELIEVE YOU NEED TO BE!) to do it myself. It wasn't till I was lost in which direction my life could go, that I decided I would open my own Parlor, (Of course later in life, once I've learned all I think I could, which will never be enough and am comfortable in my skills...), either as a side hobby or a total blown out "JOB".
I mulled and mulled over the idea of how I would go about doing it. I read all the articles on prof. artisits in the magazines, wondering how on earth they got into it. Some apprenticed, others just got a machine practiced on their friends (oh so smart...  ) and it was all history from there.
I live in a town with four parlors. I got mine from a friend's family member... I trusted (AT THE TIME!) in the fact she was utterly clean, needles were new and she was supportive of my decision on the tattoo of choice but also critical of it. She suggest a new placing (I did want it on the back of my neck but we opted for lower.) Anyways, there isn't much of a way for me to apprentice. I have bills to pay and I can't afford to live my life sweeping and cleaning a parlor in hopes of catching a glimpse of the artisit at work. I'm somewhat hoping however that a friend of a friend, can somehow hook me up with a local aritist, not to apprentice but to somewhat become 'friends'. Onward we will go to my topic.
I was going to get a loan to buy a machine so that I would gain the confidence in tattooing, or even a glimper of hope in it. But luckly my other half decided to support my dream and buy a kit for me, for christmas.
It comes with a guide which I'm going to read over and over and over again, and I'm planning on going to the library to get more books on the subject.
I just am so excited. Of course I'm not going to open a parlor from my house nor do I plan on tattooing friends. Not until I've learned to protect my patrons from anything they can get, will I even attempt it.
So watch out feet, legs, and or arms... your going to be pricked. And thankfully I am going to hopefully be okay in this project. I have art skills.... but don't as me to draw a dog.... cause it'll just be so wrong.
Check out some of my drawings, mostly I drawn on pieces of paper I find at work, or around the house. I've taken up painting aswell... so if there is any Artisits that know what they are doing, who actually tattoo, either just for fun or as a life choice. Please let's talk. I want to know as much as I can, even though I know I'll never learn enough.
Thanks for your time. Rock on!
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Kitty Von English
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: I'm nto dumb... heads up! |
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Oh and please don't BURN me for even attempting the act of learning to tattoo. I've been reading some of the posts and some people are rather rude to anyone who even SUGGESTS the idea of tattooing. But I am hoping that I can get a decent disccussion out of this...
Oh god I know there is so much to learn and do going into this. And I do not want to be a scatcher, though I'm sorta afraid that's what I'll be dubbed as. Of course I'm not a PROF. I mean fuck I've never done it before, I'm just a wee virgin but I don't plan on staying that way. I wholy want to express my art through another form, skin and I wholy want to be good at it. As soon as I move into a good town, I want to apprentice eventually but locally there is only one I would go to and alas he is always so busy. (Cause he's good...) please don't bite my head off cause I plan on trying, and achieving it... okay? I'm not stupid nor do I plan on being projected as it...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thing is, there's no good way to learn aside from an apprenticeship. You may even be harming your chances of getting an apprenticeship if you start on your own. Habits, especially bad ones, are hard to break. A possible mentor will be looking for an open canvas... a blank mind that knows nothing. They want to be able to train you their way, not have to break down things you've already ingrained just to teach you the right way.
The truth is that you will find no reputable online forum that will help to teach you the tricks of tattooing. A good teacher will need to teach you much more than you can possibly pick up online. It doesn't work unless you can see everything the mentor does... and that they can see everything you do in order to help you perfect your skills.
You also mention that there's no one available to teach you... if you really want this, it takes sacrifice and dedication... a LOT of sacrifice and dedication. If you really want to do this, do it right and wait 'till you're ready and able to take on the full responsibility that this trade requires. You'd be doing yourself an immense favor.
It's true, not everyone starts with an apprenticeship, but learning on your own is a long, hard, cold road. It will take you ten times as long for you to 'figure out' basics that an apprenticeship tackles. Most artists that do make it somewhere without that apprenticeship look back and realize that something vital is missing.
I suggest that if you're so ready to go with that kit, purchase an autoclave before you do anything else.
It's not the fact that someone wants to tattoo that gets us riled... it's the fact that there are so many people wandering into it blind... and then trying to justify it. There is no justification in butchery or passing on of disease. Both are extremely possible when you don't know what you're doing. Ignorance doesn't make it right. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it's the truth. If you came in here shouting "I just got an apprenticeship!" I know there are more than a few people here who'd be extremely happy for you about it.  But we still wouldnt' pass on technical information. That's what private, artist forums are for.
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Plus, tattooing is so "IN" now-days. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. The good part is the fact that some GREAT artists are coming to there own; bad part is now there are WAY too many sorry artists out trying to make a buck.
Apprenticeships teach and help you understand the ins and outs of tattooing. You have to give a little to get a little...yea, I know a little cliché but what-ever.
You have to be pretty young too because you mentioned that you need a loan to buy a machine. Machines aren’t very expensive… A loan for a car/house/boat/business/etc… I can see but a tattoo machine?
Even in professional forums your not going to get the tricks of the trade your going to NEED or want.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I suppose artisit don't want to give out the tricks of the trade, in fear of well... giving it to people who won't be able to use it properly.
I would very much love to apprentice, however I do not want to be TAUGHT someone elses style... at all! Not even in the slightest. Art is art and yes, I agree a health issue is a very big one, but I do not ever plan on tattooing anyone but myself and my other half, until I am apprenticing.... and most likely not till my mentor thinks I'm smart enough to go on and tattoo others.)
But I do find it slighly ignorant of others to think the only way to do anything is to go beg for an apprenticship. That everying has to follow this one simple rule to make things easier on oneself. Yes I suppose it would be smart of me to just wait away the rest of my life, not learning anything until I am able to apprentice...
Again. I can't afford to stop working to go and try and learn someone else's skill. I don't want that. I don't want to be just some other artisit, pawning off styles and skills as thier own, but I will indeed need to go into a shop and ask to watch and learn in order to learn proper BASICS. Which I very much would love to know!
I also plan on taking courses in school to better prepair myself for the tattoo world.... a good business course, some health courses and art history...
I do not plan on RUSHING into anything and I am not getting into it as a way of being "IN". Far from it. I just wanted to see if I could get in good with a "PRO" and I stress "PRO" artisit, or someone who's been doing it a while.... but I see that won't be possible through this so. Thank you for your time.
And I stress, I'm am in no way trying to make a buck. My art and art in any form means a-lot ot me, and I want ot express my orginality through skin...
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I didn't get a loan... I just felt hopless at one point that borrowing money to get a machine was the only way I would ever have one.
Machines are expensive for a 21 year old girl... lol
And who's to say what your doing is a habit? I mean seriously? Is there a tattoo god hanging around somewhere?
I must be blabbing, but thanks anyways.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: Thank you for the time! :) |
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Oh and I checked out your site, very cool. Thanks for your time.
I will apprentice, I do not plan on opening a parlor and start tattoing people from my house... my machine is for me. Not for anyone else not for friends of family. I don't want to hurt anyone or do something to ruin a good tattoo...
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I'll give you instruction. Throw away the tattoo kit. It is garbage, and you will gain nothing from having it. Everything you do from this point on will have to be UNdone by someone legit who decides to train you, and everything you do from this point foreward will lessen your chances of anyone legit wanting anything to do with you.
I know you will not believe that, and will get pissed off, but thats life. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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You misunderstand a lot.
In being taught by an experienced artist... you will not be taught their style... your style is your own and it develops over time. Their job is not to teach you art, but to teach you how to tattoo. In searching for a mentor you should search for someone who has the same interests or works in a similar way artistically so that you may learn easier.
Begging gets you nowhere. You really should build a portfolio... and go place to place... not to beg, but to show a possible mentor what art skills you have already. Not everyone who can draw is meant to tattoo. Not everyone is meant to work together. Just as you would search out a mentor with similar interests, a mentor will look for a student with similar interests.
You could definitely take some art classes (you're never done developing your skills) or a course on bloodborne pathogens, cross contamination prevention among other classes that might help you when you do get the apprenticeship... but an artist isn't going to just take you in and show you the basics... an apprenticeship is schooling. It's learning a trade. For that, definitely keep a job on the side... you'll need it for a while. Like I said, this field takes sacrifice. You have to give in order to get. Much as you would love to aquire those basics, you'll have to work for them.
If you love your art so much, I'm sure you'd want others to love it as well... mainly because it'll be on other people. The last thing you want is to build a reputation for doling out scarred up, falling out crap.
One last thing... as far as 'habit' is concerned...
Everything that you do when tattooing, you do every day. Set up is routine. Tattooing is routine. Breakdown is routine. Your sterile chain of events is routine. It's habit forming. You do it all the time. So, when you do it all the time after a while it becomes second nature. Therefore... when a mentor spots you doing something wrong he or she will definitely bring it to your attention. Now you've got to change that routine that you've been following... it's easy to slip. Slipping in this business can mean someone's life... or your own.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:58 am Post subject: Wolf. |
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I totally understand where your coming from, but you don't know where I'm coming from.
Legit is nothing... honestly. I'm not saying that 'real' tattoo artisits, who worked hard to get to where they are are not legit, but this isn't rocket science, yes I said it... people on islands out in the middle of the ocean don't go walking into a parlor with some guy who was taught by another guy who was taught by another guy, just to learn.
I totally know I need to learn some basics from people who've been doing it a long time, but I don't understand the rudeness coming from some tattoists who do it... dont' be rude to me and don't act like you know everything.
I am not disagreeing with you. And I will tattoo with my gun at my home for personal use and I will go seek out a nice tattooist who sees my passion and want to learn... not some artisit who thinks they know all there is to know and thinks that it's a gift from god taht i get a chance to learn. I'm rather displeased with some of the attitude i'm getting but really appreciate the helpfullness.
And not everyone does it the appretice way first. i know that, you can't just ignore that fact. BAH....
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I got ya sharp. I understand what you are trying to say and I'm going to start making my portfolio. I don't want to hurt anyone and I AM NOT GOING TO tattoo anyone but myself. I'm giong to contact Classic Tattoo and see if the artisit there would either allow me to hang around or apprentice me for a while...
I want to know all there is about keeping people safe and making a good tattoo. Even if I don't do this for others, I do plan on doing it for myself.
I'm young, I don't know if this is what I want to do for the rest of my life, but I am willing to go and learn, I would love to just go and watch. Even if I was allowed that little privilage but again, from the sounds of things, it seems tattooists in the buis, don't really want to teach just anyone.
don't get me wrong, I AM UNDERSTANDING, but I don't see what the BIG deal is. I told you I don't plan on tattooing anyone. PERSONAL, in house my business and it seems people find that offensive.
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First off I’d like to say that you received probably the least amount of rudeness out of anybody who’s come to this site saying they want to tattoo. There not saying that you need to have an apprentice teach you because they don’t want to share or they don’t care. It's because they do, if you have such a love for the art you would want to do it right and it seems like you do but you want to do it right that’s most convenient for you and it almost never works that way. If you go to someone looking with an attitude you just want basics and don’t try to push your style on me and just teach me what I got to know to get going, there not going to think twice about sending you out the door and on your way with nothing. You think these people are rude, go to a shop and see what you get, I'll guarantee you it'll be the same or worse. When there looking for some to apprentice they take in to account your skill and potential and your attitude, that your willing to listen to a little criticism and take it into account, not get defensive if you do something wrong and they try to guide you. Think long and hard about your decisions and have an open mind.
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People like this DO NOT have a passion for THE ART FORM. They DO NOT have a love for THE ART FORM. They have a passion and a love for jumping on the bandwagon. If they truely had a passion and love for the art form, they would NOT do something that would harm the art form. They would NOT trivialize the process. This person knows absolutely nothing about tattooing or aseptic procedure, yet makes all sorts of claims "This isn't rocket science" etc.
One fuck up could cost someone their health, or possibly even their life, and leave them horribly disfigured. To take that lightly, and decide to proceed without complete instruction is not showing a love or passion....it is showing absolute contempt and hatred, and selfish disconcern for the lives and livelihoods of others. But someone who knows nothing about it will never understand that...until it is too late. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: Thanks |
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I got you all. Thank you. I'm writing an email to a local tattoo shop. Thanks for the help, sorry if I got snippy.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| BadWolf wrote: | People like this DO NOT have a passion for THE ART FORM. They DO NOT have a love for THE ART FORM. They have a passion and a love for jumping on the bandwagon. If they truely had a passion and love for the art form, they would NOT do something that would harm the art form. They would NOT trivialize the process. This person knows absolutely nothing about tattooing or aseptic procedure, yet makes all sorts of claims "This isn't rocket science" etc.
One **** up could cost someone their health, or possibly even their life, and leave them horribly disfigured. To take that lightly, and decide to proceed without complete instruction is not showing a love or passion....it is showing absolute contempt and hatred, and selfish disconcern for the lives and livelihoods of others. But someone who knows nothing about it will never understand that...until it is too late. |
I'm not tattoiong anyone, I wouldn't want to hurt them, honestly. I wouldn't touch anyone coming to me asking for one. I'd tell them to go to someone proffesional, who can properly take care of them. I have no desire to tattoo anybody at this moment. I very much don't want to hurt any one. I'm prepairing a portfolio and contacting one of teh parlors here.
Honest to goodness, I just could't get past your attitude that's all, thanks for the words Wolf.
See you around.
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| Inkedbutterflywb wrote: | | First off I’d like to say that you received probably the least amount of rudeness out of anybody who’s come to this site saying they want to tattoo. There not saying that you need to have an apprentice teach you because they don’t want to share or they don’t care. It's because they do, if you have such a love for the art you would want to do it right and it seems like you do but you want to do it right that’s most convenient for you and it almost never works that way. If you go to someone looking with an attitude you just want basics and don’t try to push your style on me and just teach me what I got to know to get going, there not going to think twice about sending you out the door and on your way with nothing. You think these people are rude, go to a shop and see what you get, I'll guarantee you it'll be the same or worse. When there looking for some to apprentice they take in to account your skill and potential and your attitude, that your willing to listen to a little criticism and take it into account, not get defensive if you do something wrong and they try to guide you. Think long and hard about your decisions and have an open mind. |
Okay, I got ya. The only think I don't want is to be pushed around. I'm not a nobody... that's all. I'll look into it inkedbutterfly. Thank you.
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