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 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Scratcher Inc. |
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I did the 5th one...jus kidding.
http://www.badtattoos.com
prison..pro...or scratcher? u decide.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow...so many reasons why you shouldn't be giving out information to people who don't know what they're doing! |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, are you the alpha male of this den?(kidding) I post this site to discourage people from going to hacks, for their own safety? Thought it might help with their decision making (not to trust anyone who say's they can tattoo).
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure...that's great. My point was (considering the other posts, recently) that people asking for scratcher kits should not be given information (Here or in PMs)nor encouraged in any way BECAUSE of those messes you posted. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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I feel that pointing people in the right direction is better than just making fun of them? u agree? Thats just rude and child-ish. I dont believe I'm sharing any tech info either, If (he/she) would have pm'ed me, this is what I would share....basics.
http://www.tribal-celtic-tattoo.com/howtattooswork.htm
Let em go from there.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I tell them to get a mentor. That is pointing them in the right direction. If that doesn't suit them, then why not make fun of them? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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And how many people are just gonna bypass the traditional way, in favor of learning by themselves? (is this what we want)? When all they have to look foward to are bad ego's? Sadly, a stereotype most professionals have been labled with in the industry.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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If they don't want to take the time to learn from a mentor why coddle them? :/ Seriously, what would you say if someone asked which was the best appendectomy starter kit?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Seriously? I would tell them to start small and go with the Lobectomy starter kit first, Then advise not to remove more lobe tissue then they can carry.
But really this thread is about what u dont want for a tattoo...correct?
The reality..... is alot of people do not want to pay for what the legit tattoo artist charges, the alternative? The dreaded scratcher, some of whom are 100% safe, gifted artist who know there sh_t. and all the others producing the garbage chicken scratch seen on this site..Thus for the sake of your members I've posted this.
http://www.badtattoos.com
Enlightend more folks have become on what could happen to them if they do not get tattooed safely by an artist that knows what they are doing.
Attention to detail people.
If you people persist on confronting my opinions/values,(which like you, I am entitled to have) we could PM each other to find mutual ground rather than set a bad example on your forum, its really not getting anyone anywhere. Also I will not, and have not given any one of your members "technical info" as so claimed by your buddy badwolf. Only stating the obvious. Stay on thread. Use good karma. Your only tattoo artist, thats all.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm only a tattoo artist who cares about the profession she's in. I also have morals and standards. I can't sit around and tell people 'oh sure, go out and buy yourself a kit... it's perfectly safe to do this when you have no clue what you're doing'.
Yeah, a lot of people will look at that site and see exactly how fucked up some of those images are. Some will look through the entire site and still not be able to pick out the differences between a good and bad tattoo. Still others will admit they've never picked up a machine in their entire lives but are convinced they can do a hell of a lot better on the first try... which leads to even more pages added to that site.
I can pay great attention to detail... and you're confusing. First you post a site so you can show people the worst side of going to a scratcher... then you talk about pointing them in the right direction. An apprenticeship is the right direction. It's the most effective way to learn.
So why, as an artist who cares about her profession, would I want to spread useless info on the internet? I say useless because I wouldnt' know if the people getting the info would even know what to do with it. I wouldnt' be able to see how they're working to correct something they're doing wrong. They wouldnt' be able to see me to understand what I'm explaining... and we'd have a lot more people out there going "All you gotta do is trace lines" and rampantly spreading disease around because they're more concerned with tracing lines than making sure those lines are clean. Very few 'kits' I've ever seen came with an autoclave and way too many people are convinced that since it doesn't come with the kit it's not needed. That's a very foolish thought. These are the same people that think you can actually sterilize something with an open flame or alcohol.
I guess you can say I learned on my own and with that, the biggest lesson I learned is that you never really learn anything on your own. You can't teach yourself something that you dont' know. One thing you really NEED is someone to work with you and teach you the tricks of the trade. This is called an apprenticeship. I was fortunate enough to have the talent and determination to put myself where I needed to be, around pros who could help to teach me. There was no internet for me... in fact, the idea of learning over the net is rediculous to me. If you want it, go earn it.
Yes, you can go the route without an apprenticeship but it's a hell of a lot longer and harder than most people are prepared for. It's harder than just sucking it up and taking the apprenticeship in the first place and it takes a hell of a lot longer. Many years longer. So the scratchers go out, do it on their own, badmouthing the artists along the way for being so snobby... and then one day they just might be good enough to make it in a shop... and now the artists don't want them because they havent' been taught properly and it shows, they have no respect or discipline for the art and their bad reputation precedes them. No pro wants to deal with that.
Oh, then there are the people who've never taken an interest in art ever before in their lives and somehow they think it would be a good idea to tattoo... after all, its' just tracing lines. What an insult. But everybody still insists that we should put all kinds of tech info out for anybody to have access to... I don't think so.
In the end, I pay attention to more detail than most people are willing to see.
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Mrs./Ms Stacey Sharps, I do not doubt you or your ethics, Ive been to your web site and you do kick-ass work! I can tell from your past post/threads (and your website) that you very talented and passionate about your work.
Also to set the record straight, I am also a firm believer in the traditional way of becoming a tattoo artist, by learning from a mentor.
I'm am sorry about "confusing" you, but someone came in and responded to this thread (off subject) by saying (I) was leaking out some kind of technical/trade secrets? and then because I told them (kata)? to Pm me, everyone assumes that I'm gonna give this person a link to a site selling beginners kits? all of a sudden I'm Judged? By you and well...you know who? What gives anyone the right to first of all, assume.. and then judge? Assumption is a recipe for disaster, and how long did it take to become a judge?
Also..It sounds (reads) like you took offense to the "attention to detail" quote? That was written to try and get everyone back on track to this thread, Knowing that you are a killer tattooist, I would never doubt your attention to detail. Never.
Again we seem to have turned this thread upside down, (this is why I recommended we PM to find mutual ground, but we didnt, so.......)
This thread has gone way off subject, My opinion is you should lock it up..
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Upon revisiting the thread, it seems that I misread... I'm sorry, I have half a brain today. :/
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